Sounds like a new era of fiscal conservatism.
The Coronavirus, not the beer
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Sounds like a new era of fiscal conservatism.
sturg33
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That's not my suggestion.
But it absolutely is my suggestion to not shut down the world with a giant sledge hammer. Perhaps we could be a bit more surgical, more targeted,more data driven? Perhaps we dont inflict more damage than we are stopping?
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I don't feel righteous about any of this. And have changed my mind about some things.
But the government did not shut down the economy and throw 20 million out of their jobs. There are a handful of governments out there encouraging everyone to carry on as usual and their economies are also losing very large numbers of jobs.
An earthquake happens. No government says well let's pretend nothing happened and everyone go to work tomorrow and do their jobs. It doesn't work that way.
But the government did not shut down the economy and throw 20 million out of their jobs. There are a handful of governments out there encouraging everyone to carry on as usual and their economies are also losing very large numbers of jobs.
An earthquake happens. No government says well let's pretend nothing happened and everyone go to work tomorrow and do their jobs. It doesn't work that way.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Yes
Lack of information and fear mongering **** down the economy.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
That's too easy a take. People are afraid because there are objective reasons to be afraid and uncertain about their safety. A partial restoration of a sense of safety is a very important component of any recovery plan from here on out. I watched some of Merkel's speech today. That's laidership. She laid out the path ahead, and laid out the risks in a way people can understand.
You weren't allowed to talk about sensible paths. Sweden was slandered for their decision. These attacks were made without consideration of the data and trends. Pure lunacy.
We should always be honest and let people make up their minds.
Approach correctly this is a very low risk virus.
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Just want to look back at this tweet exactly 1 month and 1 week ago.
37k deaths calculated in a year for the flu season.
By tomorrow we will have eclipsed 37k deaths in roughly 45 days.
How ANYONE can say, that mitigation and enacting social distancing measures didn't prevent thousands if not hundreds of thousands of deaths, with how fast this was spreading in March, I just don't know.
Just want to look back at this tweet exactly 1 month and 1 week ago.
37k deaths calculated in a year for the flu season.
By tomorrow we will have eclipsed 37k deaths in roughly 45 days.
How ANYONE can say, that mitigation and enacting social distancing measures didn't prevent thousands if not hundreds of thousands of deaths, with how fast this was spreading in March, I just don't know.
chop2chip
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Is anyone arguing against a more data driven, surgical approach? I'm certainly not.
So what is your suggestion? I might have missed it between the barrage of Berenson tweets from you and thethe.
If you ask for my suggestion, I would initiate effective at the end of next week:
- Soft reopening of all businesses, including restaurants and movie theaters, under the condition they limit occupancy to data driven headcount per square footage.
- Reopen schools, but allow students to continue online schooling indefinitely (individual families should make the decision whether or not their children will expose themselves to at risk groups)
- Where possible, businesses should continue to encourage remote work. However, businesses will be allowed to return workers to the office provided they limit groups to a data driven determined number
- Contact tracing, however, we should as a first resort explore anonymous contact tracing (here is a crappy article to give a terrible description of what it is: https://www.mobihealthnews.com/news...s-bluetooth-anonymously-spot-disease-contacts)
- Rapid expansion of testing, including serological testing, so we can track herd immunity levels at county level to progress in the reopening of the economy in phases depending on immunity levels
- Provide funding for free at home delivery services for at risk individuals. We need to give these individuals every reason not to leave their home.
It was slowing before lockdowns. It would have been worse than what it was but maybe another 10-15%.
I think we will find out the infected percentage is very high.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I'll just say this. We need to take this small step by small step. At best we have driven R naught slightly below 1. As Merkel explained this leaves you with a very thin margin for error. Ideally we should drive it down to .5 or lower before we open up.
Even if we accept that estimate, we’re talking about roughly 50,000 deaths in a month and a half. The President’s tweet remains ridiculously dumb in that case, since that’s damn near the upper end of the spectrum for an entire year of the flu.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
“The key to opening up the economy is mass testing.” Lindsey Graham
“You don’t have to be an infectious disease doctor to figure out that the testing is going to be the gateway to making people feel safe and comfortable going out and reopening the economy.” Amy Klobuchar
“It is the single best tool to inform decisions and to calibrate all of this. This has to be figured out. I understand that this is a problematic area and the federal government’s not eager to get involved in testing. I get that, but the plain reality here is we have to do it in partnership with the federal government.” Andrew Cuomo
“You don’t have to be an infectious disease doctor to figure out that the testing is going to be the gateway to making people feel safe and comfortable going out and reopening the economy.” Amy Klobuchar
“It is the single best tool to inform decisions and to calibrate all of this. This has to be figured out. I understand that this is a problematic area and the federal government’s not eager to get involved in testing. I get that, but the plain reality here is we have to do it in partnership with the federal government.” Andrew Cuomo
Sounds like bipartisan tyranny.
Metaphysicist
Not Actually Brian Hunter
Boy that's ironic.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Both parties want to take away our liberty.
Runnin
Well-known member
Trump's obvious daily lying and campaign of misinformation has created a situation where most people are forced to assume the opposite of what he says.
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