The Coronavirus, not the beer
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nsacpi
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WSJ shines a harsh light on New York's mistakes.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-ne...se-11591908426?mod=searchresults&page=1&pos=1
https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-ne...se-11591908426?mod=searchresults&page=1&pos=1
msstate7
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It's so weird to praise NY who leads the US in cases per million and deaths per million. If you add the 2 states mentioned (Arizona and Texas), their cases per million and deaths per million still wouldn't equal NY's.
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nsacpi
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Not so weird. You don't praise a place that hasn't been hit by a tornado for everything being in order. I'm starting to wonder about you.
msstate7
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The tweet frames it like when the numbers jump back up it will be bc of arizona and Texas. Why not use NJ, Mass, RI, and Conn? Those are all bordering states, and they and NY are all are top 5 in cases and deaths per million. Nah, some red states across the country are to blame.
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nsacpi
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First, it's not the tweet. It's comments I added. Second, NJ, MA, RI, CT have tested strenuously and brought down their infection rates before reopening. Not all to the same extent as NY, but they have brought things down substantially.
In the first wave, it was pretty clear seeing the geographic progression from NY. In both directions. South to NJ, PA, MD, VA. And north to New England. I'm guessing Arizona's neighbors are watching with concern. State borders can't be closed like national borders. So if a neighboring state gets hit hard, it will in all likelihood spill over to neighboring states.
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zitothebrave
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Population density would matter in a situation where an airborn disease.
Ironic you blame "blue" states but explain if it's blue states why Vermont is doing so great, Despite being flanked by blue states (New York and Massachusetts)
msstate7
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I said why I used those states... they border NY and they're top 5 in deaths and cases per million.
msstate7
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Any chance Brazil catches us? We have ~1.2 million more documented cases, but we've tested around 21.7 million more than them. Right now Brazil has 805,649 positive tests out of 1.364 million tests (worldometers is source). Surely that positive rate is wrong, right?
nsacpi
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Millions of Americans have experienced the coronavirus pandemic directly, as they or their loved ones suffered through infection. But for most of us, the experience is defined by weeks and months on end stuck at home. The shut-ins are testing the safety of our home environments. Stress and isolation combined with another feature of American life — easy access to firearms — could form a deadly brew.
Last week we released results of a new study — the largest ever on the connection between suicide and handgun ownership — in The New England Journal of Medicine revealing that gun owners were nearly four times as likely to die by suicide than people without guns, even when controlling for gender, age, race and neighborhood.
Several myths cloud public understanding of the connection between guns and suicide. Perhaps the most pernicious is the idea that people who really want to end their lives will find a way to do it, making the presence or absence of a gun somewhat irrelevant.
Decades of research on suicide tell a different story. Suicide attempts are often impulsive, prompted by fleeting crises. A vast majority of people who attempt suicide survive and do not go on to die in a future suicide. But whether attempters get that second chance at life depends a lot on the method they use, which in turn depends on what is readily at hand. Firearms afford few second chances.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/...l?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
Last week we released results of a new study — the largest ever on the connection between suicide and handgun ownership — in The New England Journal of Medicine revealing that gun owners were nearly four times as likely to die by suicide than people without guns, even when controlling for gender, age, race and neighborhood.
Several myths cloud public understanding of the connection between guns and suicide. Perhaps the most pernicious is the idea that people who really want to end their lives will find a way to do it, making the presence or absence of a gun somewhat irrelevant.
Decades of research on suicide tell a different story. Suicide attempts are often impulsive, prompted by fleeting crises. A vast majority of people who attempt suicide survive and do not go on to die in a future suicide. But whether attempters get that second chance at life depends a lot on the method they use, which in turn depends on what is readily at hand. Firearms afford few second chances.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/...l?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
nsacpi
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People who have a sincere interest in saving human lives will want to form as good an understanding as possible of why and how people commit suicide.
Its always the guns fault.
What a joke.
Left wants to take away police and your guns. Good luck.
nsacpi
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we should not be afraid of facts and scientific research...no matter how inconvenient they may be for some of our most cherished beliefs
msstate7
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You're comparing Arizona at their peak when they've been open for a month to NY who has been shut down over 2 months. I have no idea where both states will be in a month though.
nsacpi
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NY was the epicenter of the first wave. Arizona (although a much smaller state) could be the epicenter of the second wave. Or one of the epicenters.