The Coronavirus, not the beer

Krgrecw said:
Top lockdown states, by deaths per million and unemployment rate:
NY: 1,688 and 15.7%
NJ: 1,796 and 16.6%
MA: 1,268 and 17.4%
Top non-lockdown states:
KY: 173 and 4.3%
UT: 108 and 5.1%
ND: 148 and 6.1%
How about GA, TX and FL?
GA: 398 and 7.6%
TX: 301 and 8.6%
FL: 398 and 10.4%
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Oh no now you done done it!
 
Krgrecw said:
Top lockdown states, by deaths per million and unemployment rate:
NY: 1,688 and 15.7%
NJ: 1,796 and 16.6%
MA: 1,268 and 17.4%
Top non-lockdown states:
KY: 173 and 4.3%
UT: 108 and 5.1%
ND: 148 and 6.1%
How about GA, TX and FL?
GA: 398 and 7.6%
TX: 301 and 8.6%
FL: 398 and 10.4%
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The states that got hit hard early and then took strong steps to bring down rates of infections showed better job growth in June.

June over May % change in employment:

NY 3.8
NJ 3.7
MA 2.7
CT 5.1
RI 5.0
PA 4.5
MI 8.1 Whitmer!

States that maybe opened too quickly:

AL 2.4
AR 2.0
AZ 2.7
FL 3.7
GA 3.7
MS 2.7
OK 1.4
TX 1.7

we'll see how it plays out

my guess is the July data will look similar, with maybe things ticking down a bit in the second group of states...and August data could look pretty bad for that group
 
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nsacpi said:
We'll see how it plays out. The states that got hit hard early and then took strong steps to bring down rates of infections showed better job growth in June.

June over May % changed in employment:

NY 3.8
NJ 3.7
MA 2.7
CT 5.1
RI 5.0
PA 4.5
MI 8.1 Whitmer!

States that maybe opened too quickly:

AL 2.4
AR 2.0
AZ 2.7
FL 3.7
GA 3.7
MS 2.7
OK 1.4
TX 1.7

we'll see how it plays out

my guess is the July data will look similar, with maybe things ticking down a bit in the second group of states
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Is that percentage change or percentage point change?
 
thethe said:
Presence of antibodies has almost been dispelled as the base figure to look at when assessing herd immunity.

Places like sweden where it appears the virus is under control still only showed 20% and thats because of t cells.
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The study the T-cell info is coming from has not been peer reviewed. It could've been, but it wasn't. Makes you wonder why.
 
nsacpi said:
The states that got hit hard early and then took strong steps to bring down rates of infections showed better job growth in June.

June over May % change in employment:

NY 3.8
NJ 3.7
MA 2.7
CT 5.1
RI 5.0
PA 4.5
MI 8.1 Whitmer!

States that maybe opened too quickly:

AL 2.4
AR 2.0
AZ 2.7
FL 3.7
GA 3.7
MS 2.7
OK 1.4
TX 1.7

we'll see how it plays out

my guess is the July data will look similar, with maybe things ticking down a bit in the second group of states...and August data could look pretty bad for that group
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Lol

The states who decimated their economy were able to claw back a little more than the states who didn't.

Stunning analysis
 
sturg33 said:
Lol

The states who decimated their economy were able to claw back a little more than the states who didn't.

Stunning analysis
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There is an interesting issue here. Does staying closed an extra month or so end up paying off (in terms of economic and epidemiological outcomes). We'll get the answer over the next few months.
 
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nsacpi said:
There is an interesting issue here. Does staying closed an extra month or so end up paying off (in terms of economic and epidemiological outcomes). We'll get the answer over the next few months.
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They killed more people.

And they killed more jobs.

Well done!
 
chop2chip said:
If New Zealand of all places is going to start getting cases again, then there is simply no way to manage Covid. All you can really do is simply manage a flattened curve (e.g., masks, encourage WFH, avoid high density areas), but do what you can to avoid economic catastrophe.

This is the new reality for the next few years.
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This.

There is no point comparing states or whatever anymore (but people still are, like it really matters). It's gonna come and go as any virus would.
 
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“This is a photo of President Johnson in 1968 about the time American deaths in Vietnam reached 40,000.

43,006 Americans dead so far from COVID19

America, in short, is in the midst of a first-world health care catastrophe. And President Trump bears much of the blame.
 
chucklehead-style update on Hawaii and Idaho

August 8 Hawaii 231 cases, Idaho 573
August 9 Hawaii 152, Idaho 176
August 10 Hawaii 140, Idaho 429
August 11 Hawaii 118, Idaho 495

August 8 Hawaii 0 deaths, Idaho 6
August 9 Hawaii 0, Idaho 2
August 10 Hawaii 3, Idaho 2
August 11 Hawaii 0, Idaho 7
 
57Brave said:
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“This is a photo of President Johnson in 1968 about the time American deaths in Vietnam reached 40,000.

43,006 Americans dead so far from COVID19

America, in short, is in the midst of a first-world health care catastrophe. And President Trump bears much of the blame.
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I'll be the first to admit Trump hasn't handled things well. However, I struggle to think of what any president could have done that would significantly change the results.

First, our system leaves much of the decision making up to the States. A president has little power to force States to implement policy.

Next, Americans are different. More independent and individualistic. You tell many Americans they have to do A, by God they aren't going to do A. It makes it difficult to implement policy in the levels necessary.

Next, this disease seems to laugh in the face of government policy. The asymptomatic spreaders and pre-symptomatic spreaders make containment in the modern world extremely difficult.

Finally, we're learning more about this thing all the time. The CDC was adamant masks weren't good until we learned they helped. We're a long way from where we were in March.

So while Trump did a poor job, saying he bears much of the blame for the loss of life is silly. The difference between perfect handling by a President and terrible handling isn't that much.
 
striker42 said:
I'll be the first to admit Trump hasn't handled things well. However, I struggle to think of what any president could have done that would significantly change the results.

First, our system leaves much of the decision making up to the States. A president has little power to force States to implement policy.

Next, Americans are different. More independent and individualistic. You tell many Americans they have to do A, by God they aren't going to do A. It makes it difficult to implement policy in the levels necessary.

Next, this disease seems to laugh in the face of government policy. The asymptomatic spreaders and pre-symptomatic spreaders make containment in the modern world extremely difficult.

Finally, we're learning more about this thing all the time. The CDC was adamant masks weren't good until we learned they helped. We're a long way from where we were in March.

So while Trump did a poor job, saying he bears much of the blame for the loss of life is silly. The difference between perfect handling by a President and terrible handling isn't that much.
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The "even if he had tried it would still be bad" defense. Quite lame and unconvincing. Public trust comes from good faith effort, too, which I think is as important in carrying out govt duties as actual, end of the day results.

There's a huge difference between the purposeful chaos and incompetence of this administration and normal, responsible leadership.

This article separates the president's blame from the general vulnerability of an anemic health care industry.


Why the Pandemic is So Bad in America by Ed Yong
 
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