The Coronavirus, not the beer

thethe said:
I've loved how you straddled between Cases/Hospitalizations/Deaths when it suits you.

Israel's case increase is going to be very interesting to watch and how that translates to Hospitalizations and Deaths.
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It seems to me the main benefit from vaccination is reduced deaths. Those data are easier to find. The vaccines have less efficacy in terms of reducing mild cases.

If you have data on hospitalizations in Israel, the comp might be interesting. In Arkansas, there are currently 23 hospitalized per 100,000 population, of which 8 are in intensive care.
 
I found the number for Israel. 124 people hospitalized with Covid. Less than 2 per 100,000. That's similar to the hospitalization rate in the highly vaccinated New England states. I'd say that's good news. Please reconsider pushing narratives such as Berenson's that leave the impression vaccines are not working.
 
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nsacpi said:
It seems to me the main benefit from vaccination is reduced deaths. Those data are easier to find. The vaccines have less efficacy in terms of reducing mild cases.

If you have data on hospitalizations in Israel, the comp might be interesting. In Arkansas, there are currently 23 hospitalized per 100,000 population, of which 8 are in intensive care.
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Wouldn't it make more sense to compare the vaccinated and unvaccinated population amongst a population that has more in common with eachother as opposed to lets say two sets of people thousands of miles away?
 
When I heard things like after the vaccine, you can ditch the mask and go back to life as normal, it's hard to now see how that equaled you can still get and spread it, but you won't die
 
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msstate7 said:
When I heard things like after the vaccine, you can ditch the mask and go back to life as normal, it's hard to now see how that equaled you can still get and spread it, but you won't die
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SO you better still leave your mask on despite you allowing us to inject a non-approved experimental gene therapy into your body!
 
I was hoping pur super sciency people could weigh in on LA Countys sciency mandate... but no dice.

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sturg33 said:
I was hoping pur super sciency people could weigh in on LA Countys sciency mandate... but no dice.

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What a terrible comparison. South Dakota has one of the lowest population densities in the country. There's very little public transportation, people spend less time in stores and restaurants, and all in all there's just less interaction between people when people are so spread out. Los Angeles County has a very high population density, has wide spread public transportation use, and people interact far more often in places like stores and restaurants.

There's a higher accident rate per 100,000 cars on the roads between 8 AM and 9 AM than between the hours of 10 AM and 11 AM. Why is that? Is it because people who drive between 8 and 9 are worse drivers? No. It's because the roads are more crowded between 8 AM and 9 AM which gives you less room for error. If you're not paying attention at 10:30 when it's less likely there will be someone stopped in front of you, you're less likely to hit someone. If you're not paying attention at 8:30, you're going to run into the back of someone.

That's the case with that comparison. If one person in SD has covid, they're going to come into contact with way fewer people and so will spread it around at a lower rate. If one person in Los Angeles County has covid, they're going to have way more chances to spread it.

Whether masks are effective or not is a different question. I'm just saying that guy is torturing statistics.
 
striker42 said:
What a terrible comparison. South Dakota has one of the lowest population densities in the country. There's very little public transportation, people spend less time in stores and restaurants, and all in all there's just less interaction between people when people are so spread out. Los Angeles County has a very high population density, has wide spread public transportation use, and people interact far more often in places like stores and restaurants.

There's a higher accident rate per 100,000 cars on the roads between 8 AM and 9 AM than between the hours of 10 AM and 11 AM. Why is that? Is it because people who drive between 8 and 9 are worse drivers? No. It's because the roads are more crowded between 8 AM and 9 AM which gives you less room for error. If you're not paying attention at 10:30 when it's less likely there will be someone stopped in front of you, you're less likely to hit someone. If you're not paying attention at 8:30, you're going to run into the back of someone.

That's the case with that comparison. If one person in SD has covid, they're going to come into contact with way fewer people and so will spread it around at a lower rate. If one person in Los Angeles County has covid, they're going to have way more chances to spread it.

Whether masks are effective or not is a different question. I'm just saying that guy is torturing statistics.
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It's not worth pointing out obvious stats to sturg. He is the guy afterall who thought Stockholm was more densely populated than New York City. Of course he wouldn't understand LA County which has population north of 10M to South Dakota who has a population of under a million and is something like 1/16th the size of South Dakota. That would require the absolute most basic amount of common sense.
 
Lol guys there are hundreds of examples showing masks having no benefit.

Our the super sciency people gonna weigh in on whether LA Countys contradiction of the CDC is following the science?
 
sturg33 said:
Lol guys there are hundreds of examples showing masks having no benefit.

Our the super sciency people gonna weigh in on whether LA Countys contradiction of the CDC is following the science?
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zitothebrave said:
I'm too busy to rehash the same argument we've been having for a year. Masks are not a magic bullet. They're not worthless either.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776536
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They are certainly useful for symptomatic hosts since they are the ones that emit a material amount of droplets from everyday activities.

They are essentially useless for asymptomatic and you would know this because all the studies that opine on mask effectiveness always refer to droplets.
 
thethe said:
They are certainly useful for symptomatic hosts since they are the ones that emit a material amount of droplets from everyday activities.

They are essentially useless for asymptomatic and you would know this because all the studies that opine on mask effectiveness always refer to droplets.
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That would be fine and dandy if again people tend to most commonly spread the virus not when they're symptomatic but when they're presymptomatic. Want to know how much contact I had with my Girlfriend's Parents when I was symptomatic with COVID? No time. When I was pre-symptomatic, hours.

Seriously it's common knowledge that you're infectious before showing symptoms. They think 48 hours, but obviously that's a bit of a guess.
 
zitothebrave said:
That would be fine and dandy if again people tend to most commonly spread the virus not when they're symptomatic but when they're presymptomatic. Want to know how much contact I had with my Girlfriend's Parents when I was symptomatic with COVID? No time. When I was pre-symptomatic, hours.

Seriously it's common knowledge that you're infectious before showing symptoms. They think 48 hours, but obviously that's a bit of a guess.
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You, and pretty much everyone here, deliberately obscure the issue.

YES - You can spread the virus before you show symptoms.

NO - There are no studies to show that the virus is most commonly spread during this period.

YES - All studies that show mask effectiveness say its against droplets.

NO - MASK DO NOT PREVENT ASYMPTOMPATIC SPREAD BECAUSE THEY DO NOT STOP AERSOL PARTICLES.

This isn't difficult. Masks have little to no effect on people who are not emitting droplets in a material amount.
 
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