The Coronavirus, not the beer

nsacpi said:
I will extend the analogy a little further. Not everyone who eats junk food is obese and imposes costs to society as a result of that. But we don't have an administratively clean way of taxing junk food only when it is consumed by obese people. So we tax junk food generally. Similarly, administratively it works better if we incentivize vaccination generally. We've been doing this for years with children as a requirement for attending school. The military had administered a variety of vaccines for many years. None of this is new.
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And all those vaccines prevent illnesses that are far worse than the CCP virus.

Once we learned that the vaccinated can spread and contract then it made the mandate movement irrelevant. Those that can't understand that are either ignorant or dishonest.
 
nsacpi said:
I will extend the analogy a little further. Not everyone who eats junk food is obese and imposes costs to society as a result of that. But we don't have an administratively clean way of taxing junk food only when it is consumed by obese people. So we tax junk food generally. Similarly, administratively it works better if we incentivize vaccination generally. We've been doing this for years with children as a requirement for attending school. The military has required a variety of vaccines for many years. None of this is new.

Besides some of the externalities of covid are imposed by young healthy people who do not need medical care. For example, the more people out there who are susceptible to being infected, the greater the chance a new more dangerous mutation takes place. That's regardless of the age and health status of the people who are unvaccinated.
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has the FDA approved any of those required vaccines?
 
Tapate50 said:
has the FDA approved any of those required vaccines?
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They have given emergency authorization and these vaccines have been taken by hundreds of millions around the world. They are safe. But I look forward to you and others coming up with something new when the FDA gives the Pfizer vaccine full official approval in September, as they have indicated they will.

Vaccines have been a routine part of society for a long time now. Required for children to attend school. For serving in the military. For doctors and nurses. Now suddenly they are a "personal decision." Well, that's quite a shift. An ideological shift. Not one based on any sort of rational basis.

I'm all for respecting people's personal choices, no matter how eccentric. And they should accept that in certain situations society will make certain decisions that they may not agree with. Such as requiring vaccines for children attending schools, soldiers in the army, and passengers on commercial flights. Those who wish to remain unvaccinated are free to make other arrangements, such as homeschooling. And they can protest to their hearts' delight. And vote for pro-virus politicians in the next election.
 
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But they're not allowed to go buy seeds.

You are fully supportive of a segregated society.

As usual, the left takes us backwards. You understand that the vaccine protects you... and you are still a scared little bitch. It is clear to me you do not trust the vaccine.... so why should others?
 
sturg33 said:
I love how "Biden will mandate this" is nsacpis version of "society"
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These decisions are being rolled out at all levels of government. Federal. State. Local. School boards.

Some of these jurisdictions have pro-virus people in positions of power. Good for them. That's how it works in a pluralistic federal system. I'm not gonna whine if some county in Florida or Texas does something I think is unwise.
 
nsacpi said:
These decisions are being rolled out at all levels of government. Federal. State. Local. School boards.

Some of these jurisdictions have pro-virus people in positions of power. Good for them. That's how it works in a pluralistic federal system.
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Well you're on record as saying if Biden decides to lockdown the whole country and arrest anyone who doesn't comply... we just have to wait til 2024 to do something about it
 
sturg33 said:
Well you're on record as saying if Biden decides to lockdown the whole country and arrest anyone who doesn't comply... we just have to wait til 2024 to do something about it
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I don't think I've said any of that.

I've advocated for cold hard cash to incentivize vaccination.

I've expressed respect for people's decisions not to take the vaccine.

I've said it is up to society to decide things like which shots to require of school children and whether a vaccine is required to fly commercial.

And I've encouraged you to man the barricades if you think our rights are under existential threat.
 
Some bend the knee... Others enthusiastically cheer. Most losers are authoritarians at heard. Makes them feel important and special. People who had nothing to live for now make covid their entire identity and religion... it gives them something to obsess over, to beat, and importantly, to scold others who are not part of the team.

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nsacpi said:
I don't think I've said any of that.

I've advocated for cold hard cash to incentivize vaccination.

I've expressed respect for people's decisions not to take the vaccine.

I've said it is up to society to decide things like which shots to require of school children and whether a vaccine is required to fly commercial.

And I've encouraged you to man the barricades if you think our rights are under existential threat.
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You said the people of Australia can vote their current leaders out if they don't like their new hellhole.

Why would you not think the same here?
 
sturg33 said:
I ask again that if you don't trust the vaccine to protect you, why should others?
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I know the concept of externalities is a difficult one for you to grasp.

But we tailor policy all the time to try to discourage them. Everything from taxes on cigarettes to taxes on carbon emmissions.

People who get infected from covid impose large externalities on the rest of society. They require medical care, which at the end of the day the rest of us pay for. Some of them become disabled, which the rest of us foot the bill for. The more people who go unvaccinated the greater the risk of more problematic variants. These considerations provide plenty of good reasons to enact policies to reduce these externalities.
 
nsacpi said:
I know the concept of externalities is a difficult one for you to grasp.

But we tailor policy all the time to try to discourage them. Everything from taxes on cigarettes to taxes on carbon emmissions.

People who get infected from covid impose large externalities on the rest of society. They require medical care, which at the end of the day the rest of us pay for. Some of them become disabled, which the rest of us foot the bill for. The more people who go unvaccinated the greater the risk of more problematic variants. These considerations provide plenty of good reasons to enact policies to reduce these externalities.
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Sounds like a bunch of excuses you've made to feel good about imposing your will on people's rights.

A tyrant, racist, and anti-vaxxer all in one user name
 
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