The Coronavirus, not the beer

Sigh. It makes you wonder, ff the anti vaxxers and anti science people took this seriously would we likely not have experienced a variant that is so wildly out of control?

this is really gonna trigger fraud boy

but so be it

friend and i were talking about if we would be dealing with all this **** of people thinking it isn't serious if Trump had died from covid like some reports were saying he was grim till he took things not offered to the rest of the population

was an interesting debate and thought
 
Post 20400 literally discusses that from the link you already didn’t like after not reading the story lol

You’re so pathetic lol

Impose tomorrow? Lol
 
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This may be my least favorite thread of all time in this forum. What a ****show. Just screaming past one another.
 
It is very weird to mandate something that.does not stop its purpose of taking it

when we were trying to develop a vaccine, the standard that everyone was hoping for was something like 50% efficacy...now we have four or five vaccines that easily exceed those standards...yeah, everyone should be incentivized to take it...society is bearing much of the cost of the consequences of not taking it...it is not a situation where the people opting out of taking it are internalizing those costs...they get sick and the rest of us pay through socialized insurance pools...they fill up the hospitals and other people have to forego or delay treatment because the doctors and hospitals are overwhelmed

and there is a long well established practice of asking kids to be vaccinated...when a chicken pox vaccine became available it was added to the required list...it is little noted that the main beneficiaries of that requirement are not the people taking the chicken pox vaccine...it is adults and also children under age 1 who are not eligible for it...chicken pox is not terribly dangerous to children, but it is for those under age one...thanks to the kids over age 1 being vaccinated, the number of cases of chicken pox among children under age 1 has dropped sharply...so if we require a chicken pox vaccine we should certainly be mandating and incentivizing a covid vaccine...in an ideal world enough Americans would have the common sense to get the vaccine without mandates and strong incentivizing...we gave it a try...didn't happen...so now we have to move on to more strenuous efforts

and that's your PSA of the day from your friendly tyrant
 
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Me getting this experimental treatment doesn’t diminish the chances of someone else getting the ccp virus.

So just a small detail that completely makes your whole lecture irrelevant.
 
And again, focusing on vaccination status as opposed to obesity.

Great commentary on the value system of our society.
 
A somewhat distant relative I had only met a couple of times died from Covid last week. He was healthy and active in his 40s and didn't trust the vaccine. His mom has posted hundreds of anti-mask and anti-vaxx memes on Facebook. It look like she stopped a little over 2 weeks ago. His father followed him a few days later.

One of my wife's coworkers is about to lose her 50 year old best friend to it. She was outspoken about opposing the vaccine as well.

I'm not saying they were wrong to refuse the vaccine. I disagree with but understand those who refuse it. But I'm confident there are a couple of people mentioned in this post that regret the effort they put into scoring political points on the subject.
 
Addendum to the PSA with some info about the chickenpox vaccine.

The chickenpox vaccine was added to the childhood immunization schedule in 1995. The booster dose was added in 2006.

When chickenpox occurs in vaccinated individuals, these cases are known as breakthrough cases. Breakthrough cases are usually very mild compared with the disease in unvaccinated individuals.

Every state and DC requires it of schoolchildren.

It does not produce the desired immune reaction in children under 1. That's why the first shot is around the first birthday.

Chickenpox is usually a mild disease in children, and they generally do not experience complications. In some cases, however, secondary bacterial infections related to lesions can occur. Other possible complications include pneumonia and neurological complications. Complications are more likely for children under age 1, anyone over age 15, and people who have weakened immune systems. Chickenpox infection in pregnancy can be risky to the mother, to the pregnancy, and to the newborn.

We require the chickenpox vaccine for schoolchildren even though they are not the group primarily at risk. The benefit accrues in large part to other groups--pregnant women, infants, adults, those with compromised immune systems. Since requiring the chickenpox vaccine for schoolchildren, the incidence of chickenpox in these more vulnerable populations has dropped sharply.

This is what good policy looks like in the face of externalities. We need a similar strategy with respect to the covid vaccine. Incentivize everyone to get a shot. Mandate it among schoolchildren once the FDA has validated safety and efficacy. Certainly mandate it among the military.
 
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A somewhat distant relative I had only met a couple of times died from Covid last week. He was healthy and active in his 40s and didn't trust the vaccine. His mom has posted hundreds of anti-mask and anti-vaxx memes on Facebook. It look like she stopped a little over 2 weeks ago. His father followed him a few days later.

One of my wife's coworkers is about to lose her 50 year old best friend to it. She was outspoken about opposing the vaccine as well.

I'm not saying they were wrong to refuse the vaccine. I disagree with but understand those who refuse it. But I'm confident there are a couple of people mentioned in this post that regret the effort they put into scoring political points on the subject.

I have anti-vaxxers in my family. They have formed a support group among themselves. One cousin is an anti-vaxxer. Another cousin (who is vaccinated) is married to an anti-vaxxer. He has asked her to promise not to tell anyone. And for moral support has turned to the first cousin (the anti-vaxxer). I suggested to the cousin who is vaccinated that her husband maybe should hook up with the anti-vaxxer cousin and everyone would be better off.

Btw I remain concerned about our friend Beddell, whose last post was quite a while back and mentioned that his father was seriously ill with covid.
 
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It does. No serious person doubts this.

The actual results beg to differ.

I'm not sure what else you need other than WAPO finally admitting it.

The experimental treatments do one great thing. They stop the worst outcomes.

With that fact - Everyone needs to make the best decision for them.
 
The actual results beg to differ.

I'm not sure what else you need other than WAPO finally admitting it.

The experimental treatments do one great thing. They stop the worst outcomes.

With that fact - Everyone needs to make the best decision for them.

They reduce the bad outcomes by around 99%. They also reduce mild cases (and spread) by about 70%.

In a highly vaccinated state like Vermont the percent of tests coming back positive is around 3%.

A poorly vaccinated state like Idaho (similar to Vermont in being very white, rural and sparsely populated and at a northerly latitude) has a positivity rate of about 30%.

Generally we are seeing high positivity rates in states with poor vaccination rates.
 
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They reduce the bad outcomes by around 99%. They also reduce mild cases (and spread) by about 70%.

Show your work for the latter assertion.

I can counter with things like the Mass area story or the cruise line that had majority vaccinated people contracting the virus and of course the spread on the cruise line.

And then we can get into Iceland/Israel with their vaccination rates and matching or having all time highs in their confirmed case numbers. I get academics hate real world examples and prefer to live in their theoretical world similar to the amazing mask study you brought to the table that was done in a computer simulation.

GREAT SCIENCE!!
 
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In a highly vaccinated state like Vermont the percent of tests coming back positive is around 3%.

A poorly vaccinated state like Idaho (similar to Vermont in being very white, rural and sparsely populated and at a northerly latitude) has a positivity rate of about 30%.

Generally we are seeing high positivity rates in states with poor vaccination rates.


Hmm - This is an odd approach to take when you line this up to your response of charts showing masks aren't working for specific areas.
 
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