The Coronavirus, not the beer

thethe said:
Show your work for the latter assertion.

I can counter with things like the Mass area story or the cruise line that had majority vaccinated people contracting the virus and of course the spread on the cruise line.

And then we can get into Iceland/Israel with their vaccination rates and matching or having all time highs in their confirmed case numbers. I get academics hate real world examples and prefer to live in their theoretical world similar to the amazing mask study you brought to the table that was done in a computer simulation.

GREAT SCIENCE!!
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Dude it's not MY work. It is the data generated by Pfizer. Oh and see the rest of my post comparing positivity rates in highly vaccinated vs poorly vaccinated states.
 
nsacpi said:
Dude it's not MY work. It is the data generated by Pfizer. Oh and see the rest of my post comparing positivity rates in highly vaccinated vs poorly vaccinated states.
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Oh I responded to that inconsistent logic you apply based on where you stand on the underlying question.
 
nsacpi said:
Dude it's not MY work. It is the data generated by Pfizer. Oh and see the rest of my post comparing positivity rates in highly vaccinated vs poorly vaccinated states.
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Hmm - Pfrizer is so confident in their product they are shielded from liability.

Great optics.
 
I'd also like to take this time to inform the group here that I personally setup and drove my father to get his shots.

For a lot of people its a no brainer.
 
And one more point. The delta variant is a lot more infectious. So if you compare infections rate in the pre-vaccine pre-delta period with the infection rate post-vaccine post-delta you are going to get a result that reflects the net effect of the two. So you might see a smaller reduction in the infection rate because the reductions brought about by the vaccine are being partially offset by the delta variant. It doesn't mean the vaccine is less effective. It means there is a second offsetting factor influencing the data.
 
nsacpi said:
And one more point. The delta variant is a lot more infectious. So if you compare infections rate in the pre-vaccine pre-delta period with the infection rate post-vaccine post-delta you are going to get a result that reflects the net effect of the two. So you might see a smaller reduction in the infection rate because the reductions brought about by the vaccine is being partially offset by the delta variant. It doesn't mean the vaccine is less effect. It means there is a second offsetting factor influencing the data.
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Yes - We are getting a more contagious strain and the vaccine effectiveness wears off like RSU awards at a publicly traded company. Too bad we didn't get more people that weren't at risk to get naturally infected.
 
thethe said:
I'd also like to take this time to inform the group here that I personally setup and drove my father to get his shots.

For a lot of people its a no brainer.
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but did you "bless" his decision

either way its a mitzvah and you are to be commended for it
 
nsacpi said:
but did you "bless" his decision

either way its a mitzvah and you are to be commended for it
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I thought about it but the math just makes sense for him to get it.

He loves his new grandson so I want him to be around for a long time.
 
Last week I dropped my 18-year old son off to college. He reported early to get ready for football (division 3 version). The school had been strongly recommending vaccinations, but recently decided it would mandate after the FDA gives official approval. The coach talked to the team on the first day about this. He said in light of school policy, any players planning to remain unvaccinated should leave the team. Five out of sixty were not vaccinated. After the coach's speech three decided to get vaccinated. Two left the team. That's a small sample and just an anecdote. But if through strong incentivization of this sort we can get 60% of the current group of vaccine hesitant people to see the light, that to me would be a pretty good outcome.
 
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nsacpi said:
Last week I dropped my 18-year old son off to college. He reported early to get ready for football (division 3 version). The school had been strong recommending vaccinations, but recently decided it would mandate after the FDA gives official approval. The coach talked to the team on the first day about this. He said in light of school policy, any players planning not to get vaccinated should leave the team. Five out of sixty were not vaccinated. After the coach's speech three decided to get vaccinated. Two left the team. That's a small sample and just an anecdote. But if through strong incentivization of this sort we can get 60% of the current group of vaccine hesitant people to see the light, that to me would be a pretty good outcome.
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Awful and sad.
 
thethe said:
Awful and sad.
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not as awful and sad as the millions around the world who have died of covid

and not as awful and sad as the fact that people making selfish and poorly informed decisions are contributing to additional burdens on society

if the coach told the players they had to give up junk food and 2 chose not to i don't think either of us would regard that as awful and sad
 
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nsacpi said:
not as awful and sad as the millions around the world who have died of covid

and not as awful and sad as the fact that people making selfish and poorly informed decisions are contributing to additional burdens on society
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Those two healthy kids have absolutely nothing to do with any of that. Those kids probably have natural immunity but why check the science first before we coerce them to take an experimental treatment.
 
I wonder what had more to do with the global death counts.

Scientific community suppressing effective therapeutics or two healthy kids that don't want to be vaccinated?

To lay the blame of this on healthy free people making a decision about their own lives is the most disgusting thing you've ever done.
 
nsacpi said:
if the coach told the players they had to give up junk food and 2 chose not to i don't think either of us would regard that as awful and sad
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Hmm - One actually has something to do with performance as well as the intrinsic benefit of making the world a healthy place permanently as opposed to putting band aids on the real problems which is all we do as a nation now.
 
All of the dumb red states comply and don't comply at same time

When the northeast sees their surge next month what will the narrative be?

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sturg33 said:
When the northeast sees their surge next month what will the narrative be?

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What we're likely to see is hospitalization rates and death rates will remain relatively low in states with high vaccination rates.

The vaccines won't prevent seasonal fluctuations. But the amplitude will be lower for states with high vaccination rates.
 
nsacpi said:
What we're likely to see is hospitalization rates and death rates will remain relatively low in states with high vaccination rates.

The vaccines won't prevent seasonal fluctuations. But the amplitude will be lower for states with high vaccination rates.
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And then strug drops Hawaii on you next post.
 
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