The Coronavirus, not the beer

mqt said:
To be fair, it would have been so absurd not to fast track a vaccine that giving credit for doing so seems a bit silly.
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We were told endlessly for six months that his timelines were a fantasy.

Looks like Trump creates miracles?
 
thethe said:
https://www.healthline.com/health/heart-disease/statistics#What-are-the-risk-factors?

As reported by the CDCTrusted Source, in 2018 the states with the highest heart disease date rates are:

Oklahoma
Alabama
Mississippi
Arkansas
Louisiana
Tennessee
Kentucky
West Virginia
Michigan
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Can you guess which states have the highest obesity rates?

You can’t be any more wrong than the lecturer has been the past few years. Just a brilliant exhibition in getting everything wrong and making yourself look like a fool in the process.

But I’m sure all the hundreds of thousands of people dying of heart disease led healthy lives.

Clown.
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There is something called multivariate analysis that allows people who actually care about these things to estimate the independent contributions of obesity and heart disease. This is statistically possible because there are some people out there who are obese (but don't have heart disease) and others who have heart disease (but not obesity). And so on with other conditions like diabetes, lung disease, kidney disease.

What this analysis shows is that for adults under 40 (your age group I believe), the following conditions are the ones that have the biggest effects on your chances of being admitted to the ICU if you have covid:

1) Diabetes with complications: 58% increase in likelihood of ICU admission
2) Obesity: 30%
3) Anxiety and fear-related disorders: 28%
4) Diabetes without complications: 13%
5) Hypertension: 11%
6) Asthma: 9%
7) Tobacco-related disorders: 7%
 
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nsacpi said:
There is something called multivariate analysis that allows people who actually care about these things to estimate the independent contributions of obesity and heart disease. This is statistically possible because there are some people out there who are obese (but don't have heart disease) and have heart disease (but not obesity). And so on with other conditions like diabetes, lung disease, kidney disease.

What this analysis shows is that for people under 40 (your age group I believe), the following conditions are the ones that have the biggest effects on your chance of being admitted to the ICU if you have covid:

1) Diabetes with complications: 58%
2) Obesity: 30%
3) Anxiety and fear-related disorders: 28%
4) Diabetes without complications: 13%
5) Hypertension: 11% (hypertension is the most common condition among Americans that promotes a worsening of covid outcomes)
6) Asthma: 9%
7) Tobacco-related disorders: 7%
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And I wonder what the health conditions are of those that have Diabestes with or without complications?

You can add that to the obesity percentage.

I also wonder what causes people to get hypertension?

I can't believe how willfully obtuse you are being on this.

The hospitalization numbers where over 70% of those hospitalized from COVID were obese told the whole story. Looks like you forgot about that one...
 
We all know that there are millions upon millions of healthy people that have healthy diets and robust exercise routines that have bad diabetes and hypertension. Give me a break.

Exercise also actually helps with anxiety and fear related disorders.

The answer to COVID is actually really simple. People like you have willfully made it complicated.
 
mqt said:
To be fair, it would have been so absurd not to fast track a vaccine that giving credit for doing so seems a bit silly.
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He was universally mocked by the media and dem politicians for saying a vaccine was possible in the timeframe he said
 
thethe said:
And I wonder what the health conditions are of those that have Diabestes with or without complications?

You can add that to the obesity percentage.

I also wonder what causes people to get hypertension?

I can't believe how willfully obtuse you are being on this.

The hospitalization numbers where over 70% of those hospitalized from COVID were obese told the whole story. Looks like you forgot about that one...
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so just to oversimplify a little

if you have obesity AND diabetes with complication your chances of going to the ICU increase by 88% (58+30)

but not everyone who has diabetes with complications is also obese

among all people under 40 who get hospitalized with covid only 37% are obese
 
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nsacpi said:
so just to oversimply a little

if you have obesity AND diabetes with complication your chances of going to the ICU increase by 88% (58+30)

but not everyone who has diabetes with complications is also obese

among all people under 40 who get hospitalized with covid only 37% are obese
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Yes not ALL people that have diabetes with complications are obese. But its most likely, and happy to be proven wrong, to take place when you're obese.

So your 88% number is accurate but misleading because the weighting on the percentage from obesity is probably around 80%.
 
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I'm still waiting to understand the millions upon millions of people that have a healthy diet and exercise regularly that suffer from Diabetes w/complications and hypertension.

Maybe the lecturer can opine on that.
 
thethe said:
In most cases.

Dopamine is a fantastic thing when provided naturally through exercise and anyone that has ever exercised regularly can attest to that.
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i mean, look at you and sturg

you both exercise and are otherwise healthy

yet the manifestations of paranoia and other indicia of anxiety and fear disorders (including affinity for conspiracy theories) are off the charts
 
nsacpi said:
i mean, look at you and sturg

you both exercise and are otherwise healthy

yet the manifestations of paranoia and other indicia of anxiety and fear disorders are off the charts
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You see anxiety and fear.

We see properly reporting current events.

I'll let the board decide whose record on specific things is better.

Conspiracy theories....lol
 
thethe said:
You see anxiety and fear.

We see properly reporting current events.

I'll let the board decide whose record on specific things is better.

Conspiracy theories....lol
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a little reading on paranoia and delusions as manifestations of a fear disorder

https://www.mhanational.org/conditions/paranoia-and-delusional-disorders

a bit on the paranoid style of politics

https://www.researchgate.net/public...ological_Asymmetry_in_Conspiratorial_Thinking

I know your natural impulse will be to poohpooh all this, but it is what it is.
 
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Symptoms of paranoia and delusional disorders include intense and irrational mistrust or suspicion, which can bring on sense of fear, anger, and betrayal. Some identifiable beliefs and behaviors of individuals with symptoms of paranoia include mistrust, hypervigilence, difficulty with forgiveness, defensive attitude in response to imagined criticism, preoccupation with hidden motives, fear of being deceived or taken advantage of, inability to relax, or are argumentative.

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nsacpi said:
Symptoms of paranoia and delusional disorders include intense and irrational mistrust or suspicion, which can bring on sense of fear, anger, and betrayal. Some identifiable beliefs and behaviors of individuals with symptoms of paranoia include mistrust, hypervigilence, difficulty with forgiveness, defensive attitude in response to imagined criticism, preoccupation with hidden motives, fear of being deceived or taken advantage of, inability to relax, or are argumentative.

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I love when you take these detours when you're proven wrong.

Its arguably my favorite part of you.

Go consult with your friend SAV if I came across like this at all.
 
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