The Coronavirus, not the beer
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You can't have true federalism because then the people know which political ideology actually helps their constituents.
striker42
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Perhaps some here could tell me this. Why is natural immunity an argument against the Covid vaccine?
If you get the Covid vaccine and it prevents you from getting Covid, then the immunity worked. If you take the vaccine and you still get Covid, then you're going to get the natural immunity you wanted in the first place with the vaccine drastically reducing the odds of severe illness.
The only way the vaccine prevents you from getting natural immunity is if it works well enough to keep you from getting Covid.
To me it seems like the vaccine is a good way of reducing the strain on our healthcare system by reducing the number of total infections, the number of symptomatic infections, and the number of severe infections.
If you get the Covid vaccine and it prevents you from getting Covid, then the immunity worked. If you take the vaccine and you still get Covid, then you're going to get the natural immunity you wanted in the first place with the vaccine drastically reducing the odds of severe illness.
The only way the vaccine prevents you from getting natural immunity is if it works well enough to keep you from getting Covid.
To me it seems like the vaccine is a good way of reducing the strain on our healthcare system by reducing the number of total infections, the number of symptomatic infections, and the number of severe infections.
acesfull86
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https://www.statnews.com/2021/09/15/fda-scientists-strike-skeptical-tone-on-need-for-covid-19-vaccine-booster-at-this-time-fueling-debate/
Food and Drug Administration scientists have expressed skepticism about the need for additional doses of Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine for all people who have received it.
The assessment by the agency’s staff, included in documents released Wednesday, sets up a high-stakes debate over who will need an additional booster dose — and when they will need it — at the meeting of experts being convened by the Food and Drug Administration on Friday.
In the documents, the FDA’s own scientists seemed to strike a cautious position about the need for widespread booster shots. Overall, they said, “data indicate that currently US-licensed or authorized COVID-19 vaccines still afford protection against severe COVID-19 disease and death in the United States.”
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The advice of the FDA’s advisory panel on the matter will not be binding, but the agency is likely to consider it. If the FDA authorizes a booster dose, the decision on whether to give them broadly will be taken up by a separate advisory committee convened by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. There has been no date set yet for a meeting of that group, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices.
Still, any decision by the FDA that limits the approval for booster shots, or even expresses hesitancy about how they should be used, will be seen as a rebuke to the Biden administration, which in August took the unusual step of unveiling a plan to offer boosters to the U.S. population, ahead of decisions from the FDA and the CDC.
Among those who have challenged the need for boosters at this point are two senior FDA officials who recently announced they will retire from the agency this fall, a move seen to be motivated by their disagreement with the administration on the booster question.
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I’m going to have a hearty LOL if/when senior FDA officials retire over a booster fight with a Biden administration that has repeatedly sold the people on “following the science.”
Food and Drug Administration scientists have expressed skepticism about the need for additional doses of Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine for all people who have received it.
The assessment by the agency’s staff, included in documents released Wednesday, sets up a high-stakes debate over who will need an additional booster dose — and when they will need it — at the meeting of experts being convened by the Food and Drug Administration on Friday.
In the documents, the FDA’s own scientists seemed to strike a cautious position about the need for widespread booster shots. Overall, they said, “data indicate that currently US-licensed or authorized COVID-19 vaccines still afford protection against severe COVID-19 disease and death in the United States.”
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The advice of the FDA’s advisory panel on the matter will not be binding, but the agency is likely to consider it. If the FDA authorizes a booster dose, the decision on whether to give them broadly will be taken up by a separate advisory committee convened by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. There has been no date set yet for a meeting of that group, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices.
Still, any decision by the FDA that limits the approval for booster shots, or even expresses hesitancy about how they should be used, will be seen as a rebuke to the Biden administration, which in August took the unusual step of unveiling a plan to offer boosters to the U.S. population, ahead of decisions from the FDA and the CDC.
Among those who have challenged the need for boosters at this point are two senior FDA officials who recently announced they will retire from the agency this fall, a move seen to be motivated by their disagreement with the administration on the booster question.
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I’m going to have a hearty LOL if/when senior FDA officials retire over a booster fight with a Biden administration that has repeatedly sold the people on “following the science.”
Its not an argument for those that aren't healthy enough to have an almost 0% risk.
And from what I understand the vaccine is preventing your t-cells from fully learning how to combat COVID so you'll always need to be on a booster cycle as the vaccine wanes in effectiveness. But I think the science on that is still very young.
And from what I understand the vaccine is preventing your t-cells from fully learning how to combat COVID so you'll always need to be on a booster cycle as the vaccine wanes in effectiveness. But I think the science on that is still very young.
Probably the best argument is established science that the more chances you give a virus to mutate to bypass vaccines the more likely its going to happen.
So healthy sub 40 year olds who are scared (yes thats what they are when you look at the data) are selfishly allowing the virus to potentially mutate to make vaccines worthless.
So healthy sub 40 year olds who are scared (yes thats what they are when you look at the data) are selfishly allowing the virus to potentially mutate to make vaccines worthless.
Good - Anyone that stays there deserves this.
sturg33
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Goes into effect in Slovenia.
But as we have been assured, this is NOT tyranny
"People will also have to show a COVID pass for virtually all services, including in shops, bars and restaurants, in beauty parlours, in doctors’ offices and hospitals.
Only grocery shops and chemists – but only outlets which are not located in malls – will continue to be accessible for those without a COVID pass, as will emergency medical services."
But as we have been assured, this is NOT tyranny
"People will also have to show a COVID pass for virtually all services, including in shops, bars and restaurants, in beauty parlours, in doctors’ offices and hospitals.
Only grocery shops and chemists – but only outlets which are not located in malls – will continue to be accessible for those without a COVID pass, as will emergency medical services."
striker42
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Is there any science that the vaccine is somehow keeping you more vulnerable even when you have a breakthrough infection? That seems to go against how your body works.
sturg33
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It amuses me that the left wants to make evictions illegal for tenants who won't pay their rent
But they support evictions for people who don't take the medicine they demand
This ain't about covid...
sturg33
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Its your favorite occupy Democrats group who i know you are fond of.
Just glad to know that like healthcare, the left doesn't actually believe that housing is a human right
