The Coronavirus, not the beer

nsacpi said:
Hospitalization rates (per 100,000 population) in the five most highly vaccinated states:

Most vaccinated

Vermont 6
Connecticut 10
Massachusetts 9
Maine 15
Rhode Island 10

And in the 5 most lightly vaccinated states

West Virginia 54
Wyoming 37
Idaho 38
Alabama 52
Mississippi 41
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Why don't we get an update on this as well (for my guy MS)?


5 Most vaccinated

Vermont 10
Connecticut 33
Massachusetts 66
Maine 26
Rhode Island 9

And in the 5 most lightly vaccinated states

West Virginia 52
Wyoming 24
Idaho 36
Alabama 41
Mississippi 14

So one of the highest vaccinated states is taking the crown right now on most hospitalizations.

Also important to note that all of the 5 least vaccinated states are seeing a reduction in 7 day average hospitalization WoW (week over week) while the 5 most are seeing increases.
 
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sturg33 said:
Its awesome to see the lecturing buffoon devolve into a scared little bitch.

He is still lurking on these threads, so I love that he is still seeing his miserable judgement and track record continue to stack.

I wonder if reality has hit him yet how useless his education and news sources are. It must suck spending your entire life thinking you are smart only to slowly realize what a buffoon you are
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He is too proud to ever admit a thing.

It kills him that a Trumper has bested him on every big issue the last 5 years.
 
Needed to update my post because I copied over the September numbers from the lecturers post incorrectly.
 
nsacpi said:
One thing to note. Jurisdictions with high vaccination rates also have taken other measures, such as mask wearing and high frequency testing, seriously. Their success reflects the collective impact of this multilayered approach. What might be called the kitchen sink approach. In contrast, states with low vaccination rates are also the places where mask skeptics abound and where testing is low. What might be called the "muh freedoms" or "burn baby burn" approach.

There are a couple educational institutions near and dear to my heart that I have been following. They have taken this kitchen sink approach and been very vigorous about it. Throughout last winter and this year as covid in the country as a whole has waxed and waned, they have had extraordinary success in keeping covid off their campuses. Sometimes the positivity rate in the state or surrounding community has spiked to over 10% or even 20%. But their positivity rate has remained very low. Very low not as in 2% or 0.2%. Very low as in 0.02%. That's what rigorous application of the multilayered or kitchen sink approach can get you.

It is not silly for a place that is nearly 100% vaccinated to also take other measures seriously. You have to take this approach because sadly there is no single intervention that will banish covid. The vaccines are very good. A godsend. But not perfect. So you throw the whole kitchen sink at this thing instead of muttering about "muh freedoms" or whining "this will never end."

What really astounds me about this whole saga is that we now have a set of interventions that are very easy to implement and collectively quite effective, but that a whole segment of society resists on ideological grounds. Getting a shot is nothing. Wearing a mask is nothing. Being tested is nothing. Minor inconveniences at worst. But there is an entire movement dedicated to resisting and undermining these measures.
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And here is the lecturers narrative on that data from September (Emphasis added in BOLD)
 
striker42 said:
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status

Man, them vaccines sure are trash.
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Cases are absolutely irrelevant. Love that timeline that stops once we should start expecting the vaccines to be completely useless.

Yes, the vaccines are trash in that no healthy person should ever think of taking this.

Vaccinated people are also tested less despite having symptoms.

But its ok Striker - Like Dalyn before and nsacpi now over a long enough time frame my judgement is usually pretty spot on.

I like you too much to get too aggressive about what should be obvious to most people.
 
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thethe said:
Cases are absolutely irrelevant. Love that timeline that stops once we should start expecting the vaccines to be completely useless.

Yes, the vaccines are trash in that no healthy person should ever think of taking this.

Vaccinated people are also tested less despite having symptoms.

But its ok Striker - Like Dalyn before and nsacpi now over a long enough time frame my judgement is usually pretty spot on.

I like you too much to get too aggressive about what should be obvious to most people.
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You didn't answer as to why, if the vaccines are trash, the rates for vaccinated were so much lower than the rates for unvaccinated during the height of the last wave. Both cases and deaths.

But if timeline is what matters, here's something released recently by the State of Washington comparing vaccinated vs. unvaccinated populations with more recent data:

https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Do...-tables/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf

Interestingly, this does have one tid bit that supports one of your premises. The data for deaths between vaccinated and unvaccinated isn't compared for groups under 65 as the sample size for deaths in the younger groups was not large enough to derive statistically reliable. This supports Covid being far less deadly in younger demographics. However, hospitalization did have large enough numbers so avoidance of hospitalization is still a rather massive benefit.
 
striker42 said:
You didn't answer as to why, if the vaccines are trash, the rates for vaccinated were so much lower than the rates for unvaccinated during the height of the last wave. Both cases and deaths.

But if timeline is what matters, here's something released recently by the State of Washington comparing vaccinated vs. unvaccinated populations with more recent data:

https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Do...-tables/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf

Interestingly, this does have one tid bit that supports one of your premises. The data for deaths between vaccinated and unvaccinated isn't compared for groups under 65 as the sample size for deaths in the younger groups was not large enough to derive statistically reliable. This supports Covid being far less deadly in younger demographics. However, hospitalization did have large enough numbers so avoidance of hospitalization is still a rather massive benefit.
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Striker, do you not remember the information that I provided which showed that a retrospective study was done on hospitalizations and almost 50% of those were found to have nothing to do with COVID despite marked as COVID?

My position remains unchanged as I just scheduled my dads booster 6 months and 5 days after his second shot. Healthy people under 40 (in realty this should be under 60) do not get enough of an aggregate benefit to risk taking an experimental gene therapy that we have absolutely no clue what it does long term. I understand you think thats crazy.

Why don't we wait a few months and we will see who ends up being right.

Countries are already seeing warning signs to stop vaccination of certain low risk groups for a reason.
 
Tapate50 said:
To this point, I have no clue why vaccines are being pushed on kids. This is crazy.
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I'm far less enthusiastic about vaccines for young, healthy children. The rates of complications with Covid for young children are so low that the cost/benefit analysis of the vaccine is much less clear. The biggest potential benefit would be in reducing vectors of transmission but Delta threw a wrench in that. The vaccines appear to prevent transmission of Delta but only for a brief time. Delta just replicates too fast. So that limits the utility there.

I'm taking a wait and see approach personally.
 
striker42 said:
I'm far less enthusiastic about vaccines for young, healthy children. The rates of complications with Covid for young children are so low that the cost/benefit analysis of the vaccine is much less clear. The biggest potential benefit would be in reducing vectors of transmission but Delta threw a wrench in that. The vaccines appear to prevent transmission of Delta but only for a brief time. Delta just replicates too fast. So that limits the utility there.

I'm taking a wait and see approach personally.
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Kids don't have an issue with this. Most will be fine unless there are serious underlying health issues.
 
adults are forcing children to be in masks all day, are not allowing them in businesses in NYC and SF, and are forcing them to be injected with a drug they don't need... because adults are scared

it's the most pathetic thing ive ever witnessed
 
sturg33 said:
adults are forcing children to be in masks all day, are not allowing them in businesses in NYC and SF, and are forcing them to be injected with a drug they don't need... because adults are scared

it's the most pathetic thing ive ever witnessed
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And on top of it all, the adults are saddling the kids with the bill.
 
I'm interested to see if the vaccine helps lower incidences of MIS-C in children. If it significantly lowers that risk, then I think the cost-benefit analysis tips in favor of the vaccine.
 
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