The Coronavirus, not the beer
- Thread starter Runnin
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Same thing we have seen on this forum in many other areas.
The programming works on reasonable people as well which is unfortunate.
Pfizer said it was fine. Thats all some need to hear apparently.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
That's not true.
Some European nations recommended one mRNA vaccine over the other because one has a higher chance of a complication.
Keep in mind these complications are about as rare than death from COVID or the same complications from contracting COVID. But no one cares about that bit of information.
msstate7
Well-known member
If the vaccine is just as deadly as the virus for that age group, what's the point?
And you're getting that rate of complication from where again?
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
It's not, I'm just not willing to spend the time to crawl through the minutia of detail for people who won't listen anyway.
Well how could you go wrong by relying on Pfizers data that they won't let anyone see?
sturg33
I
It's crazy to me that two years ago the COVID cowards were the ones constantly complaining about big pharma screwing over people.
Now they cheer their unlimited profits under no liability or accountability.
It's been quite a shift
They've now been conditioned to take whatever side helps the establishment. Its such a pathetic time right now as you have idiot toadies (Zito) and reasonable ones (Striker) all falling for the establishment narrative.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
I think you're confusing cheering with being intelligent about the probabilities.
But whatever. I don't expect you to get ****.
striker42
Well-known member
First, I've never supported mask mandates. They're impossible to enforce. Either people are going to wear masks voluntarily or they're not. Also, I don't find the utility of masks to be so overwhelming as to justify the invasion upon personal liberty. I think it should be a personal choice.
That being said, mask mandates and masks aren't the same thing. Mandates can be totally ineffective even if masking is due to the number of people disregarding the mandate. I still think masks have some use and people should be wearing them now. If there's a situation where there's barely enough contact to transmit, masks might make a difference. It's virtually impossible to tell this from looking at case data as there's no control group to compare it to or even figures on how many people are wearing masks.
Considering the absolute minimal cost of wearing a mask, even minor utility is enough for me to make the personal choice to wear one.
sturg33
I
You demand causation proof for everything except muzzling your own face?
acesfull86
Well-known member
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-01-06/yale-princeton-covid-policies-are-hard-to-take-seriously?sref=htOHjx5Y
The restrictions also show these universities as content to treat their students much worse than their faculty and staff — a faculty and staff that is typically older and thus more at risk for Covid. The liberty of Yale students to visit a local bookshop or grocer is less important than freedom of movement for faculty and administrators.
Imagine the reaction if a professor or a dean told a student: “I will go out and about and do largely as I please. But you have to stay on campus, so you do not infect me.” It would be considered outrageous, and rightly so.
Right now some of America’s top universities are essentially sending that message — in the process telling the world that they are not morally serious. They should not be surprised, then, when the world starts believing them.
The restrictions also show these universities as content to treat their students much worse than their faculty and staff — a faculty and staff that is typically older and thus more at risk for Covid. The liberty of Yale students to visit a local bookshop or grocer is less important than freedom of movement for faculty and administrators.
Imagine the reaction if a professor or a dean told a student: “I will go out and about and do largely as I please. But you have to stay on campus, so you do not infect me.” It would be considered outrageous, and rightly so.
Right now some of America’s top universities are essentially sending that message — in the process telling the world that they are not morally serious. They should not be surprised, then, when the world starts believing them.
striker42
Well-known member
Cost benefit analysis. I'm not sure how much benefit my daily multivitamin is but it's cheap and doesn't hurt me so even a chance of a benefit is worth it. A strip of cloth across my face doesn't hurt me in the least. If there's even a chance of a benefit it's worth it. And there is evidence that they have some small utility.
striker42
Well-known member
I'm not so sensitive that wearing a strip of cloth across my face hurts me. Must be terrible to be so weak.
sturg33
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Right of course. And I assume you also buy lottery scratchers every day then?
The fact of the matter is you have defended the mask mandates from day one (by arguing against their futility)... you've proven a fool on it.