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[jpx7]

(or alternatively the subsidy for attending Harvard should be capped so that it is no greater than the subsidy for attending a solid state university).

This already exists, to a certain extent, in that a student can only borrow so much under a given Subsidized Stafford loan, and then must make up the shortfall with an Unsubsidized PLUS loan. There are also aggregate caps on each.

 

[sturg33]

This already exists, to a certain extent, in that a student can only borrow so much under a given Subsidized Stafford loan, and then must make up the shortfall with an Unsubsidized PLUS loan. There are also aggregate caps on each.

Am I not already subsidizing college with state taxes?

At what point to I not have to financially support free speech hating, sjw degrees that are taught nothing but capitalism being the devil?

 

[jpx7]

Am I not already subsidizing college with state taxes?

At what point to I not have to financially support free speech hating, sjw degrees that are taught nothing but capitalism being the devil?

Be careful what you wish for—where else will you find your strawmen if not for these programs???

 

[sturg33]

Weird to me that leftists have only been able to talk about tax credits going away, but haven't mentioned which new tax cuts will be available to folks.

 

[sturg33]

Be careful what you wish for—where else will you find your strawmen if not for these programs???

College will soon be obsolete. People don't feel the need to go a lifetime in debt to get indoctrinated on why white men are evil.

Only folks with specific and tech skills will survive the new economy. You don't need a 4-year degree to learn how to code.

And I don't need to subsidize people going into debt so they can complain about not having a job after the process.

 

[jpx7]

Weird to me that leftists have only been able to talk about tax credits going away, but haven't mentioned which new tax cuts will be available to corporations and the wealthy few.

Fixed.

College will soon be obsolete. People don't feel the need to go a lifetime in debt to get indoctrinated on why white men are evil.

Only folks with specific and tech skills will survive the new economy. You don't need a 4-year degree to learn how to code.

And I don't need to subsidize people going into debt so they can complain about not having a job after the process.

Your ideal world is a hellscape devoid of art, meaning, or beauty. It's Fahrenheit 451. I'd rather live in exile.

 

[sturg33]

Fixed.

no it's not. it's wrong, per usual with you and finances

 

[jpx7]

no it's not. it's wrong, per usual with you and finances

Says the poster who's recently consistently dispensed with ever posting a coherent thought.

 

[sturg33]

Says the poster who's recently consistently dispensed with ever posting a coherent thought.

...what?

 

[sturg33]

so jpx, if you can take a break from crusading against white guys for a moment... is your contention that the ONLY people who benefit from this tax plan are rich people and corporations?

 

[sturg33]

Your ideal world is a hellscape devoid of art, meaning, or beauty. It's Fahrenheit 451. I'd rather live in exile.

It's not my ideal world... it's the reality of the new economy. College will need to evolve or it will die. Much like the cab industry... a better solution will come forward. Students won't need to go into a lifetime of debt in order to learn something to get a job. that's a good thing. We will no longer need slaves to the daily workforce.

 

[jpx7]

...what?

But what about my core question: At what point do we say an imposition needs to be made? I mean, for example, one could argue that—in an era of increasing automation and narrow specialization—some form of UBI is necessary to protect the liberty of unspecialized labor to merely exist. It sure sounds like you're willing to concede that it's a spectrum, and there are tradeoffs that have to be negotiated and litigated—as opposed to bowing to an unfettered relationship to The Market. So what I'm asking is for a hermeneutic that's more functional than just "step in to protect the individual liberty of every person and private business", because that line too is mutable and negotiable, and one private business' liberty is another individual person's abrogation of liberty.

I asked that question two weeks ago. But you've been more happy to just say "lol jpx approved lol" and to oh-so-humorously (not to mention falsely) accuse me of "crusading against white guys", rather than actually engage in a real and substantive dialogue.

so jpx [edited the obviously dumb parts out] is your contention that the ONLY people who benefit from this tax plan are rich people and corporations?

Not only; just mostly.

It's not my ideal world... it's the reality of the new economy. College will need to evolve or it will die. Much like the cab industry... a better solution will come forward. Students won't need to go into a lifetime of debt in order to learn something to get a job. that's a good thing. We will no longer need slaves to the daily workforce.

There's is so much more to learning than merely "getting a job". This is precisely what I mean.

 

[sturg33]

I asked that question two weeks ago. But you've been more happy to just say "lol jpx approved lol" and to oh-so-humorously (not to mention falsely) accuse me of "crusading against white guys", rather than actually engage in a real and substantive dialogue.

I would never compromise on an individual's liberty... and neither should you

Not only; just mostly.

i understand you struggle with basic economics... but if there is a cut across the board, the people who are paying more now will benefit more from a cut. This is not complicated. Pretty much everyone benefits from this tax cut. We should be able to acknowledge this.

There's is so much more to learning than merely "getting a job". This is precisely what I mean.

You're taking my initial comment way too far, per usual. My point was and is that the current higher education system of supporting endless debt will soon fail as it is simply not necessary anymore. Technology has made learning more accessible and more affordable. Academia has yet to catch up, and will need to or it will fail.

 

[jpx7]

I would never compromise on an individual's liberty... and neither should you

That's a non-answer to the question as posed. There's always compromising; so where's your line?

i understand you struggle with basic economics... but if there is a cut across the board, the people who are paying more now will benefit more from a cut. This is not complicated. Pretty much everyone benefits from this tax cut. We should be able to acknowledge this.

Pretty much not quite, and not in equal measure.

You're taking my initial comment way too far, per usual.

A rich rejoinder from you, given your own habit of taking my comments way past any semblance of what I've said.

My point was and is that the current higher education system of supporting endless debt will soon fail as it is simply not necessary anymore. Technology has made learning more accessible and more affordable. Academia has yet to catch up, and will need to or it will fail.

I don't disagree with this entirely. But—since you love doing this type of hyper-condensed inquiry—I want you to answer the question squarely: Are there important and substantial learning outcomes beyond eventual employment? Simple yes or no will suffice, but you can feel free to elaborate beyond as long as you first answer the initial question.

 

[nsacpi]

College will soon be obsolete. People don't feel the need to go a lifetime in debt to get indoctrinated on why white men are evil.

Only folks with specific and tech skills will survive the new economy. You don't need a 4-year degree to learn how to code.

And I don't need to subsidize people going into debt so they can complain about not having a job after the process.

Maybe. But the data have been showing an ever widening gap in income between those with college degrees and those without.

 

[Metaphysicist]

I am really curious where some of you guys are getting your information about what happens at a university. Y'all sound kinda crazy.

 

[jpx7]

I am really curious where some of you guys are getting your information about what happens at a university. Y'all sound kinda crazy.

I've got to think there are a lot of people who'd be thrilled if these "SJW departments" like gender studies and African-American studies and the like were 50% as big, or 20% as well-funded, as sturg et al seem to think.

 

[thethe]

Is society better off with a more educated populace that is in debt??

What does having more unemployed philosophy and history majors do to the country?

 

[Jaw]

I am really curious where some of you guys are getting your information about what happens at a university. Y'all sound kinda crazy.

Aside from lots of links available in the PC thread, I have several friends and family members who are either in college now or recently graduated. The impact of modern college culture on some of them has been dramatic, and not in a good way.

 

[Jaw]

Is society better off with a more educated populace that is in debt??

What does having more unemployed philosophy and history majors do to the country?

The problem is that there are just too many instances of these programs in comparison to their value to the job market or society. It's good that there are Women's Studies and African Diaspora and History of Art and Musical Composition degrees available, but it's inefficient that they are so widely available.

We have STEM jobs going unfilled despite recruiting immigrants to fill them, while kids put themselves deeply in debt to study the impact of transsexual lumberjacks in 19th century Oregon.

Schools just seem to be playing a game of one upping each other on bizarre, outlandish, and essentially useless programs and degrees that only achieve the results of creating student debt, SJWs, and PC points.