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Hawk said:
Cheryl Burns, 60, was on a road trip from California when she heard that Trump would be in Alabama. She turned her car around and got in line, warning people of what happened to states when liberals took them over.

“There is no more California,” Burns said. “It’s now international, lawless territory. Everything is up for grabs. Illegal aliens are murdering people there. People are being raped. Trump isn’t lying about anything — the rest of the country just hasn’t found out yet.”
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Cheryl for the ****ing win.
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Typical Trump supporter? old White racist?
 
Runnin said:
Typical Trump supporter? old White racist?
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Actually, per Bedell's linked article, atypical.

A review of public polling, extensive interviews with a host of his supporters in two states and a new private survey that tracks voting records all point to the conclusion that Mr. Trump has built a broad, demographically and ideologically diverse coalition, constructed around personality, not substance, that bridges demographic and political divides. In doing so, he has effectively insulated himself from the consequences of startling statements that might instantly doom rival candidates.

In poll after poll of Republicans, Mr. Trump leads among women, despite having used terms like “fat pigs” and “disgusting animals” to denigrate some of them. He leads among evangelical Christians, despite saying he had never had a reason to ask God for forgiveness. He leads among moderates and college-educated voters, despite a populist and anti-immigrant message thought to resonate most with conservatives and less-affluent voters. He leads among the most frequent, likely voters, even though his appeal is greatest among those with little history of voting.
 
Trump would win the presidency easily if he had a reasonable filter. He's actually a lot like Obama, Clinton and Reagan in that he's got the "it" factor. Nobody in the current democratic field has that. The only reason he's not the obvious favorite to win is as Dowd put it in Hawk's post, Certainly, Trump could explode at any moment in a fiery orange ball.

As far as what he would be as President. I think he'd be fine. I think he'd basically just be a moderate republican. Most people want the border shut down and I guess that's his most controversial issue. I personally see no way he would actually deport non felon illegals. I just don't see that happening. It would be an awesome 4 years if he won.

Trump is plenty capable to be President.

Something that people have largely ignored about the Trump campaign is that he's got a great slogan. Make America great again. I mean it's basically hope and change but worded differently.
 
Runnin said:
So what was the point in repeating what some racist said?
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Hilarity?

There's nothing racist in that comment as it textually presented. If you want to infer that this elderly women is racist because she wants stricter immigration reform, then that seems like a typical foundering left-wing character assault -- IMO. All show, no substance.
 
Hawk said:
Hilarity?

There's nothing racist in that comment as it textually presented. If you want to infer that this elderly women is racist because she wants stricter immigration reform, then that seems like a typical foundering left-wing character assault -- IMO. All show, no substance.
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"textually presented"? Your powers of perception are as bad as the fake old woman's. "international, lawless territory", "no more California", "Illegal aliens are murdering...People being raped". It's a joke obviously written by somebody making fun of rednecks and Trump supporters. But you fell for it.

Btw, the murder rate in California is about average and has been dropping for the last 20 years. According to the FBI report the 3 states with the highest murder rates: Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi, in that order.
 
Runnin said:
"textually presented"? Your powers of perception are as bad as the fake old woman's. "international, lawless territory", "no more California", "Illegal aliens are murdering...People being raped". It's a joke obviously written by somebody making fun of rednecks and Trump supporters. But you fell for it.
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I guess I'm still back here at square one trying to find the racist angle.

Btw, the murder rate in California is about average and has been dropping for the last 20 years. According to the FBI report the 3 states with the highest murder rates: Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi, in that order.
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And 49% of the arrested murderers are Latino.
 
While Trump assured me that he thinks Bush is “a nice person,” he has told friends in private that his animosity is personal. According to one friend, Trump blames Bush and Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim for Univision’s decision in June to cancel a $13.5 million contract with Trump to televise his Miss USA pageant. Five days later, Slim scrapped a deal with Trump to develop shows in Mexico. Trump responded by filing a $500 million lawsuit against Univision. “Trump believes it all goes back to Jeb,” the friend says. “He thinks Jeb and his wife, Columba, are close with Carlos Slim and Univision got pressure from Slim operatives.” In a move that further confirmed Trump’s suspicions, Univision has hired Miguel Estrada, a Washington lawyer with deep Bush ties.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/08/trump-expansion-plan.html
 
Hawk said:
Hilarity?

There's nothing racist in that comment as it textually presented. If you want to infer that this elderly women is racist because she wants stricter immigration reform, then that seems like a typical foundering left-wing character assault -- IMO. All show, no substance.
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Actually it's a legit problem in the R party.

When Scott Brown was running for the NH seat, he ran caling Jean Shaheen weak on immigration. That should matter exactly 0% to New Hampshirites as Mexicans aren't crossing the border to come to NH, NH has a hispanic population of NH is about 3%, vs the White population of about 91%. But it obviously works with racists, even though immigration shouldn't be farther from a concern for citizens of the Granite State.
 
zitothebrave said:
Actually it's a legit problem in the R party.

When Scott Brown was running for the NH seat, he ran caling Jean Shaheen weak on immigration. That should matter exactly 0% to New Hampshirites as Mexicans aren't crossing the border to come to NH, NH has a hispanic population of NH is about 3%, vs the White population of about 91%. But it obviously works with racists, even though immigration shouldn't be farther from a concern for citizens of the Granite State.
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Unbridled immigration could negatively impact the economy on a massive scale. Some would argue that it already has. How would that not be a concern for every citizen, regardless of geographical proximity to the border, is beyond me.
 
Hawk said:
Unbridled immigration could negatively affect the economy on a massive scale. How would that not be a concern for every citizen, regardless of geographical proximity to the border, is beyond me.
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If an illegal immigrant who can't speak English is stealing your job, you are making minimum wage and not contributing much to society as it is. I would be iwlling to guess illegal immigration is far down the list of problems and probably helps keep certain goos and services cheaper which according to supply side economics is a good thing.
 
zitothebrave said:
If an illegal immigrant who can't speak English is stealing your job, you are making minimum wage and not contributing much to society as it is. I would be iwlling to guess illegal immigration is far down the list of problems and probably helps keep certain goos and services cheaper which according to supply side economics is a good thing.
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It's not really about 'stealing jobs' at all though.
 
Hawk said:
It's not really about 'stealing jobs' at all though.
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It's very anti-republican ethos IMO to be against illegal immigration and saying it hurts the economy. I guess then you vehemently disagree with sturg and aces on eliminating the minimum wage and support a higher minimum wage?
 
zitothebrave said:
It's very anti-republican ethos IMO to be against illegal immigration and saying it hurts the economy. I guess then you vehemently disagree with sturg and aces on eliminating the minimum wage and support a higher minimum wage?
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What? All I've said here is that unchecked immigration is problematic.
 
Hawk said:
What? All I've said here is that unchecked immigration is problematic.
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Well, it's hardly gonna be unchecked. Eventually you run out of unskilled positions and when those dry up, they return to Mexico. IIRC we had a massive decline in immigration when our economy nosedived.

Personally I think we should make it easy for people who want to work here to come here and work and pay taxes, and rent, and buy goods, and so on so forth. I fail to see how it can really be bad, aside from hurting US citizens who don't have the skills to compete against people who don't speak the language.
 
zitothebrave said:
Well, it's hardly gonna be unchecked. Eventually you run out of unskilled positions and when those dry up, they return to Mexico. IIRC we had a massive decline in immigration when our economy nosedived.
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That's an unlikely scenario. It seems like you are operating from a somewhat dated perspective that has illegals coming to the United States strictly for employment purposes.

Personally I think we should make it easy for people who want to work here to come here and work and pay taxes, and rent, and buy goods, and so on so forth. I fail to see how it can really be bad, aside from hurting US citizens who don't have the skills to compete against people who don't speak the language.
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I agree to an extent, but like other countries, we need to a) have caps b) conduct thorough background checks and c) insure those individuals who are legally granted citizenship are already educated, employable, and willing to contribute to society just like every other citizen is expected to. Again, this is what every other country on earth does -- why can't we?
 
Hawk said:
How (is that sentence racist)?
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“There is no more California,” Burns said. “It’s now international, lawless territory. Everything is up for grabs. Illegal aliens are murdering people there. People are being raped. Trump isn’t lying about anything — the rest of the country just hasn’t found out yet.”

In case you are being serious - it proposes that true California was domestic, aka. White, and lawful (both completely untrue, btw) and that now it's overrun by illegals, aka. Mexicans, and is unlawful, implying that what made California California was it's whiteness and lawfulness. I'll ignore the other claims.
 
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