The Don

I'm sure Bernie had legitimate non-racist reasons (that I would disagree with) for supporting what he supported.

Just like I'm sure Trump and his supporters have legitimate non-racist reasons (that I also disagree with) for supporting what they support.

My original point was that writing off positions as racist, when the actual racists are a very small percentage, is not only lazy, like BB argues, but it insults those who have actual gripes.

And it keeps us from actually understanding what's going on. Hey, but it confirms our narratives and that's all that counts.
 
yeah 57, why bring up anything about race?

i mean, Trump has obviously shown that we are in a post race america

The problem isn't that he "brings up anything about race." The problem is that he wants to make it all about race. Again, this isn't hard to get.
 
And for anyone wanting to truly make a difference in the lives of REAL Americans they could do a little research and then found a website that publicly calls out, shames, and promotes boycotts against any company that outsources jobs, or imports workers to do them more cheaply. This would get people more involved in the process, educate them about the way things work and maybe make a positive difference in this country without trying to get the government involved to do it for them.

You are a racist if you are against outsourcing OHawk. Don't you know?
 
Louis weighs in:

"P.S. Please stop it with voting for Trump. It was funny for a little while. But the guy is Hitler. And by that I mean that we are being Germany in the 30s. Do you think they saw the **** coming? Hitler was just some hilarious and refreshing dude with a weird comb over who would say anything at all.

And I’m not advocating for Hillary or Bernie. I like them both but frankly I wish the next president was a conservative only because we had Obama for eight years and we need balance. And not because I particularly enjoy the conservative agenda. I just think the government should reflect the people. And we are about 40 percent conservative and 40 percent liberal. When I was growing up and when I was a younger man, liberals and conservatives were friends with differences. They weren’t enemies. And it always made sense that everyone gets a president they like for a while and then hates the president for a while. But it only works if the conservatives put up a good candidate. A good smart conservative to face the liberal candidate so they can have a good argument and the country can decide which way to go this time.

Trump is not that. He’s an insane bigot. He is dangerous.

He already said he would expand libel laws to sue anyone who “writes a negative hit piece” about him. He says “I would open up the libel laws so we can sue them and win lots of money. Not like now. These guys are totally protected.” He said that. He has promised to decimate the first amendment. (If you think he’s going to keep the second amendment intact you’re delusional.) And he said that Paul Ryan, speaker of the house will “pay” for criticizing him. So I’m saying this now because if he gets in there we won’t be able to criticize him anymore.

Please pick someone else. Like John Kasich. I mean that guy seems okay. I don’t like any of them myself but if you’re that kind of voter please go for a guy like that. It feels like between him and either democrat we’d have a decent choice. It feels like a healthier choice. We shouldn’t have to vote for someone because they’re not a shocking **** billionaire liar.

We should choose based on what direction the country should go.

I get that all these people sound like bull**** soft criminal opportunists. The whole game feels rigged and it’s not going anywhere but down anymore. I feel that way sometimes.

And that voting for Trump is a way of saying “**** it. **** them all”. I really get it. It’s a version of national Suicide. Or it’s like a big hit off of a crack pipe. Somehow we can’t help it. Or we know that if we vote for Trump our phones will be a reliable source of dopamine for the next four years. I mean I can’t wait to read about Trump every day. It’s a rush. But you have to know this is not healthy.

If you are a true conservative. Don’t vote for Trump. He is not one of you. He is one of him. Everything you have heard him say that you liked, if you look hard enough you will see that he one day said the exact opposite. He is playing you.

In fact, if you do vote for Trump, at least look at him very carefully first. You owe that to the rest of us. Know and understand who he is. Spend one hour on google and just read it all. I don’t mean listen to me or listen to liberals who put him down. Listen to your own people. Listen to John Mccain. Go look at what he just said about Trump. “At a time when our world has never been more complex or more in danger… I want Republican voters to pay close attention to what our party’s most respected and knowledgeable leaders and national security experts are saying about Mr. Trump, and to think long and hard about who they want to be our next Commander-in-Chief and leader of the free world.”

When Trump was told what he said, Trump said “Oh, he did? Well, that’s not nice,” he told CBS News’ chief White House correspondent Major Garrett. “He has to be very careful.”

When pressed on why, Trump tacked on: “He’ll find out.”

Do you really want a guy to be president who threatens John McCain? Because John McCain cautiously and intelligently asked for people to be thoughtful before voting for him? He didn’t even insult Trump. He just asked you to take a good look. And Trump told him to look out.

Remember that Trump entered this race by saying that McCain is not a war hero. A guy who was shot down, body broken and kept in a POW camp for years. Trump said “I prefer the guys who don’t get caught.” Why did he say that? Not because he meant it or because it was important to say. He said it because he’s a bully and every bully knows that when you enter a new school yard, you go to the toughest most respected guy on the yard and you punch him in the nose. If you are still standing after, you’re the new boss. If Trump is president, he’s not going to change. He’s not going to do anything for you. He’s going to do everything for himself and leave you in the dust.

So please listen to fellow conservatives. But more importantly, listen to Trump. Listen to all of it. Everything he says. If you liked when he said that “torture works” then go look at where he took it back the next day. He’s a ****ing liar.

A vote for Trump is so clearly a gut-vote, and again I get it. But add a little brain to it and look the guy up. Because if you vote for him because of how you feel right now, the minute he’s president, you’re going to regret it. You’re going to regret it even more when he gives the job to his son. Because American democracy is broken enough that a guy like that could really **** things up. That’s how Hitler got there. He was voted into power by a fatigued nation and when he got inside, he did all his Hitler things and no one could stop him.

Again, I’m not saying vote democrat or vote for anyone else. If Hilary ends up president it should be because she faced the best person you have and you and I both chose her or him or whoever. Trump is not your best. He’s the worst of all of us. He’s a symptom to a problem that is very real. But don’t vote for your own cancer. You’re better than that.

That’s just my view. At least right now. I know I’m not qualified or particularly educated and I’m not right instead of you. I’m an idiot and I’m sure a bunch of you are very annoyed by this. ****ing celebrity with an opinion. I swear this isn’t really a political opinion. You don’t want to know my political opinions. (And I know that I’m only bringing myself trouble with this ****.) Trump has nothing to do with politics or ideology. He has to do with himself. And really I don’t mean to insult anyone. Except Trump. I mean to insult him very much. And really I’m not saying he’s evil or a monster. In fact I don’t think Hitler was. The problem with saying that guys like that are monsters is that we don’t see them coming when they turn out to be human, which they all are. Everyone is. Trump is a messed up guy with a hole in his heart that he tries to fill with money and attention. He can never ever have enough of either and he’ll never stop trying. He’s sick. Which makes him really really interesting. And he pulls you towards him which somehow feels good or fascinatingly bad. He’s not a monster. He’s a sad man. But all this makes him horribly dangerous if he becomes president. Give him another TV show. Let him pay to put his name on buildings. But please stop voting for him. And please watch Horace and Pete."

Good words - but I'd say he's evil and sad. It's not an either/or.
 
And notice how Fox News just let him break the rules without any repercussions. Perhaps at least they leaked the story to CNN, but that's still pretty weak.

It'll be interesting to see how Fox fairs out of all this. I'm watching the Facebook posts of friends who are huge Fox News fans beginning to question Fox News a bit.
 
The problem isn't that he "brings up anything about race." The problem is that he wants to make it all about race. Again, this isn't hard to get.

It really isn't. For better or worse Nixon adopted a Southern Strategy following the lead of 1968 Wallace. Based on what... ?

Ronald Reagan announced his presidential run from, where ? And, what was Phila, Miss claim to fame before that ?

In adopting the Southern Strategy (R) took dog whistle politics to an art form. Probably the thing they do best.

I've said earlier your points are valid but only in the sence that it explains how "dog whistle politics" works and how the state of the world can be twisted to make DWP effective
 
I do think it is all about race or civil rights would be more correct.

As far as Carson, his campaign was clumsy bordering on irrelavent. Let's close our eyes and not know the color of Dr Carson.

Would he have made it to the grown up table ?
 
Go back to 1972 when (D) purged the remnants of Dixiecrats. (R) was proud to pick up the pieces, re: Jeff Sessions was once a registered (D).

Dixiecrats. their raison d'etre ?

They defected to where ?

Keep telling yourself Trump is a reaction to the Chinese economy or NAFTA alone.

Newtons 3rd law

For every action (accepting the Dixiecrats wing of D)

There is an equal and opposite reaction (Trump)
 
It really isn't. For better or worse Nixon adopted a Southern Strategy following the lead of 1968 Wallace. Based on what... ?

Ronald Reagan announced his presidential run from, where ? And, what was Phila, Miss claim to fame before that ?

In adopting the Southern Strategy (R) took dog whistle politics to an art form. Probably the thing they do best.

I've said earlier your points are valid but only in the sence that it explains how "dog whistle politics" works and how the state of the world can be twisted to make DWP effective

The problem, as I see it, is that you then don't go one to ask, "why racism?" For you it is an end-all. And thus it's a simplistic and not really helpful position. It makes you feel better - I get it.
 
Go back to 1972 when (D) purged the remnants of Dixiecrats. (R) was proud to pick up the pieces, re: Jeff Sessions was once a registered (D).

Dixiecrats. their raison d'etre ?
They defected to where ?

Keep telling yourself Trump is a reaction to the Chinese economy or NAFTA alone.
Newtons 3rd law
For every action (accepting the Dixiecrats wing of D)
There is an equal and opposite reaction (Trump)

I'm not. Keep telling yourself it is racism alone. That's the problem. For you it is the be all, end all. Pardon the pun, but for you it is your assumed trump card.
 
Let's try something.

Take the DWP out of this election cycle. What else has (R) run on.

The Wall ?

Islam?

Immigration?

I honestly can't remember anything else

oh yeah,

Make America Great, Again
 
polling at best 40s with (R) and virtually no support outside of (R).

I'm pretty sure Trump will be a footnote.

Do you remember after the 2012 election and the Repub soul searching ???
 
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