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Hawk said:
Donald Trump is the best thing that could have possibly happened to the Republican party.

I mean, this is a group of people who were seriously considering nominating Ted Cruz/Marco Rubio ... like sheep being led to slaughter.

The party needed to move left. It's the only way it has a shot at relevancy in 2016. Trump will nudge it in that direction while solidifying new (and frankly, much more tenable) conservative planks for the future.

Make no bones about it, the Republicans of yore that obsessed over gay marriage, public bathrooms, and other assorted pithy social issues are officially dead. This is now a party which, under Trump, can tout the 'promise' of drastic economic and immigration reform alongside the establishment of a new global identity. A vote for Trump is a vote for change, much like a vote for Obama was a vote for hope. A vote for Clinton is a vote for ... inclusiveness? Hillary can only coast on Obama's tattered coat-tails for so long. Her message is weak and will get flattened during the general election brouhaha.

Irrespective of whether or not I agree with Trump's approach to dealing with these issues is another thing entirely, but the new Republican platform is established and the candidates' underdog/anti-establishment ground firmly staked.
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Well it certainly jettisoned me.
 
Julio3000 said:
Someone's got to pull the R's back to the center, or else they're going to have to count on some elite-level communicator/political ninja to sell the same old bag of **** to the populace. I think the former is more likely than the latter right now.
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If that takes a racist, sexist, vulgarian, narcissistic, war crimes promoting con artist - y'all can have him and them.
 
57Brave said:
I heard a former Romney staffer still angry about Romney's portrayal in 2012 say that what the (D) did to Romney over Bain Capital will look like a church bizarre compared to what is waiting for Trump.

Here it comes:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/05/trumps-new-top-money-man-led-bank-profited-bailouts
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Thing is 57, it doesn't work with Trump supporters and so now you best hope a coalition of progressives, minorities, and #NeverTrump folks (strange bedfellows for sure) can stop him. He's going to snag lots of Ds.
 
I think the strategy is containment - where he can keep his 50% of (R) - which works out to tops 30% of the electorate.
 
57Brave said:
I think the strategy is containment - where he can keep his 50% of (R) - which works out to tops 30% of the electorate.
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It's going to depend on how many pissed off, angry white folks go out and vote. What looks like 30% could - could turn out to be a lot more. The wins in NY, Indiana, and SC trouble me enough that I might end up voting for Hillary (a Hillary and a R Congress might not be so bad). We'll see how this thing plays out but...
 
electoral college counts I've seen show HRC not losing Obama 2008-12 states and a few Reds in play

Hard to underestimate how many people he has offended.
Making an enemy of Paul Ryan does not help his cause
 
Hawk said:
At the risk of flat-out abandoning your ideology? I honestly don't think so. Your indignation here is like heartburn - it'll subside.
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No it won't. I will not pull the lever for a man who brags about his infidelities, jokes about banging his daughter, owns strip joints, has made a killing off of ripping people off, who has held liberal positions for a long time despite his "conversion," who holds his immigration views, treats women as mere scum or sex objects, advocates war crimes, is vulgar, narcissistic, vindictive and thinned skinned.

You can have him.

It's not abandoning my ideology, it's holding to it.
 
I honestly don't know what to do. I don't like any of the candidates. I refuse to vote for King Biff. Makes me sick to my stomach.
 
The one silver lining I have for Trump possibly winning and being effective is it will force people to rethink electing lawyers over and over into Congress. Lawyers make up almost all of Congress and it's one reason things never get done. If Trump wins it opens the floodgates for other professions to get into politics. And I'm hoping it breaks the inner circle on Capitol Hill. The country desperately needs scientists, teachers, small business owners to get elected on the federal level. People who are actually working on the ground locally.
 
One plus is that Hillary is not still creating new enemies on a daily basis, at least not at the moment. The people who don't like her have felt this was a long time and I don't think they fear her presidency the way everyone fears Trump in the WH.
 
Runnin said:
One plus is that Hillary is not still creating new enemies on a daily basis, at least not at the moment. The people who don't like her have felt this was a long time and I don't think they fear her presidency the way everyone fears Trump in the WH.
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Can either of these people really make that many NEW enemies?
 
So here's a few on the Republican side who are not, or not ready to support Chump:

George H. W. Bush
George W. Bush
Jeb Bush
Paul Ryan
Lindsey Graham
Mitt Romney
John McCain
Sen Ben Sasse
Governor Charlie Baker (Massachusetts)
Illinois Governor Bruce Rauner
Maryland Governor Larry Hogan

Also, have not heard a peep in public about support from the likes of Ted Cruz and Marco Rubo

So, Chump is unifying the Republicans, eh?
 
Oklahomahawk said:
OK, not sure that cleared things up very much. ;)
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Not at all. For someone on the fence not liking the left side, I may decide not to vote.

I ended up leaving Facebook so I wouldn't have to read everyone's rants, and vice versa.
 
CrimsonCowboy said:
So here's a few on the Republican side who are not, or not ready to support Chump:

George H. W. Bush
George W. Bush
Jeb Bush
Paul Ryan
Lindsey Graham
Mitt Romney
John McCain
Sen Ben Sasse
Governor Charlie Baker (Massachusetts)
Illinois Governor Bruce Rauner
Maryland Governor Larry Hogan

Also, have not heard a peep in public about support from the likes of Ted Cruz and Marco Rubo

So, Chump is unifying the Republicans, eh?
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Add Thomas Sowell, Rod Drehrer and Erick Erickson and a slew of other non-politicians.
 
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