The Gattis Thread...

[yeezus]

I don't have the measure of angst with the Heyward deal that others have, but if Myers is truly available, this is where Hart and company should have exercised a bit more patience, especially on the decision to sign Markakis. It all depends on whether or not Myers is truly available.

Right, I kind of assume he really isn't.

 

[yeezus]

The reason I'm so eager to move Gattis is, he's not a catcher. Sure, we could play him there this year and he won't be terrible. He cannot, and will not, play it long-term. He has way more value to an AL team that needs a backup catcher/DH, which he could fill both.

 

[Russ2dollas]

The reason I'm so eager to move Gattis is, he's not a catcher. Sure, we could play him there this year and he won't be terrible. He cannot, and will not, play it long-term. He has way more value to an AL team that needs a backup catcher/DH, which he could fill both.

we just have to find that AL team that agrees with you.

Seems like teams are trying to say Gattis isn't worth an A type prospect or package. He's worth that to us next year b/c we need hitting. He'll still be valuable next year if nobody steps up to the plate and knocks us over.

 

[gilesfan]

we just have to find that AL team that agrees with you.

Seems like teams are trying to say Gattis isn't worth an A type prospect or package. He's worth that to us next year b/c we need hitting. He'll still be valuable next year if nobody steps up to the plate and knocks us over.

He may not even be able to catch 100 games next year....AL teams aren't stupid; they know his value to them is greater than his value to the Braves. Its not like another team is going to give great prospects to get a DH/backup C type.

 

[GovClintonTyree]

He may not even be able to catch 100 games next year....AL teams aren't stupid; they know his value to them is greater than his value to the Braves. Its not like another team is going to give great prospects to get a DH/backup C type.

Wow. Talk about minimizing your assets.

If he gets a tad more selective, he's also a 35 HR/.900 OPS guy.

 

[Carp]

Wow. Talk about minimizing your assets.

If he gets a tad more selective, he's also a 35 HR/.900 OPS guy.

To do that he's going to need more than to be a "tad more selective."

Gattis is a .260ish hitter who walks 5-6 percent of the time. He would have to improve one or both of those numbers quite substantially to be a .900 OPS player. 35 homers is also a bit of a stretch considering his 162 game average is 29 homers. I guess if he went to Texas or some other band box, an extra 5-6 homers over 162 games would be possible, but not likely.

Teams aren't going to view him as such either. They're going to value him as he is, not what he could be.

 

[sturg33]

There was only, what? 2 35 HR guys last year?

I thought I did remember that Gattis is 1st or 2nd in HRs per PA, though

 

[COGPK]

Gattis would be a monster in Tampa.

 

[gilesfan]

Wow. Talk about minimizing your assets.

If he gets a tad more selective, he's also a 35 HR/.900 OPS guy.

Playing catcher in the NL?

 

[Russ2dollas]

Playing catcher in the NL?

He could also have a falsely inflated walk rate next year. If he hits behind FF and Jup in our current line up, why would teams pitch to him? He could double his walks and be a more attractive player. He still has a lot of control.

He's cheap. So in a game of chicken on his value we should win. B/c we can keep him and use him.

Now if an AL team evaluates him as a bench player, then they shouldn't even bother trying to trade. B/c that value isn't going to work unless Gattis falls off or is in the last year of his deal.

 

[Carp]

I would say Gattis' value is not going to get any higher. If you're going to trade him, now is the opportune time. I think the Braves FO knows this and I think he'll be on another team by Jan 1.

 

[thethe]

I would say Gattis' value is not going to get any higher. If you're going to trade him, now is the opportune time. I think the Braves FO knows this and I think he'll be on another team by Jan 1.

Every year a player without a long track record excels their value increases.

 

[GovClintonTyree]

To do that he's going to need more than to be a "tad more selective."

Gattis is a .260ish hitter who walks 5-6 percent of the time. He would have to improve one or both of those numbers quite substantially to be a .900 OPS player. 35 homers is also a bit of a stretch considering his 162 game average is 29 homers. I guess if he went to Texas or some other band box, an extra 5-6 homers over 162 games would be possible, but not likely.

Teams aren't going to view him as such either. They're going to value him as he is, not what he could be.

He was .290/.342/.558 on 6/27 when he hurt his back. He had 16 dingers in 224 at bats. That's 35 in 500.

I think he'll always have trouble staying healthy catching, and he'll never play more than 120 games, but yeah, I absolutely believe he could do that in the AL.

 

[drewdat]

I doubt that Gattis's value increases commensurately with his salary increases via arbitration. If he's not in the long term plans (and if he isn't catching, he shouldn't be), then now is the time.

 

[Carp]

Every year a player without a long track record excels their value increases.

Similarly, a player without a long track record is much more at risk to fall off a cliff in production. He isn't going to be a catcher much longer, and certainly won't be with the Braves next yr. Not to mention the value of the extra yr of control for pennies on the dollar.

Highly unlikely Gattis improves his stock at all if he remains a Brave. At best he maintains his value until next offseason. At worst, he loses the majority of value he has and are lucky to get a quality prospect in return. Only way he could significantly improve his stock is if he exploded offensively and played in 140 games or more.

 

[Enscheff]

Well he could turn into a 30 HR guy and prove to not be a butcher in LF (just below average). At that point the Braves wouldn't want to trade him anyways.

 

[Carp]

He was .290/.342/.558 on 6/27 when he hurt his back. He had 16 dingers in 224 at bats. That's 35 in 500.

I think he'll always have trouble staying healthy catching, and he'll never play more than 120 games, but yeah, I absolutely believe he could do that in the AL.

Extremely short sample size and his career numbers (which are also small, but larger than 224 at bats) don't match that either. Sure it COULD happen, but isn't likely.

To compare, FF had 9 homers through his 1st 189 PAs, averaging out to 33 homers over a full season if he kept up that pace. Clearly he did not. And most do not view FF hitting 33 homers next season as likely, though it certainly COULD happen.

 

[GovClintonTyree]

Extremely short sample size and his career numbers (which are also small, but larger than 224 at bats) don't match that either. Sure it COULD happen, but isn't likely.

To compare, FF had 9 homers through his 1st 189 PAs, averaging out to 33 homers over a full season if he kept up that pace. Clearly he did not. And most do not view FF hitting 33 homers next season as likely, though it certainly COULD happen.

Well, he's also an enormous human being with excellent hitting mechanics befitting a contact hitter and lightning quick bat speed, but I know we talk numbers here, so I thought I'd stick with that.

Thanks, I'm aware that's an optimistic projection. Giles said he was a DH/back up catcher, which makes him sound like ****ing John Buck. He's not some swinging dick, he's a special hitter, and Hart SHOULD be asking for the moon. If somebody gives him the moon, I make the deal, crying all the while.

P.S. His 162 game HRs is 33.

 

[Carp]

I must have looked at doubles instead of homers. Still, he's never actually hit anywhere near 35 homers for various reasons. It's still a lofty projection.

 

[Heyward]

The reason I'm so eager to move Gattis is, he's not a catcher. Sure, we could play him there this year and he won't be terrible. He cannot, and will not, play it long-term. He has way more value to an AL team that needs a backup catcher/DH, which he could fill both.

Bingo.

His health wont last long at C.

Why i'd trade him now before his value plummets after this year.