The Great State of Mississippi

No Hawk, it is actually Dem talk for "what's it matter to you and/or who else gives 2 ****s who marries who."
(whom?)

define "marries"... traiditional religiour marriage, or civil marriage with all the right and privileges of a marriage but without a religious blessing that I don't see how they'd want/care about in the first place.

Call it civil marriage, give anyone those rights and ALL legal privileges that any married couple has and I"ll be 100% for it. Same sex marriage isn't the same as traditional marriage, you can argue it's less than, equal to, or even better than traditional marriage if you want and I'll be fine with that, but it isn't the SAME as traditional marriage. I'm not trying to criticize it, belittle it, or condemn it, I'm just telling you it isn't the same thing and it never will be. Why isn't equal to good enough? I thought "marriage equality" was what you were after, not marriage same-ness.
 
define "marries"... traiditional religiour marriage, or civil marriage with all the right and privileges of a marriage but without a religious blessing that I don't see how they'd want/care about in the first place.

Call it civil marriage, give anyone those rights and ALL legal privileges that any married couple has and I"ll be 100% for it. Same sex marriage isn't the same as traditional marriage, you can argue it's less than, equal to, or even better than traditional marriage if you want and I'll be fine with that, but it isn't the SAME as traditional marriage. I'm not trying to criticize it, belittle it, or condemn it, I'm just telling you it isn't the same thing and it never will be. Why isn't equal to good enough? I thought "marriage equality" was what you were after, not marriage same-ness.

Calling it Civil Marriage is being politically correct. Isn't that what the right are against? Being too overly PC?

As far as I know, the LGBT isn't calling for legislation for churches to force them to marry.
 
I don"t understand why people care! If two people want to share their lives -- what's it to me -- I don't feel threatened by it or feel it cheapens the relationship of me and mine. Furthermore, can't understand ...
or why people would go to the trouble to stigmatize someone that sees (or lives) life differently.
Again, what's it to you?

My definition of marriage. No Hawk, that would put me in the dog house for a long long time :)
 
If gay people want to be as miserable as married straight people, let them

But no one should ever be prosecuted for being anti-gay marriage
 
Calling it Civil Marriage is being politically correct. Isn't that what the right are against? Being too overly PC?

As far as I know, the LGBT isn't calling for legislation for churches to force them to marry.

I suppose not yet... Right now they're working on forcing private businesses to serve their weddings... They'll get there
 
Calling it Civil Marriage is being politically correct. Isn't that what the right are against? Being too overly PC?

As far as I know, the LGBT isn't calling for legislation for churches to force them to marry.

This is true and this is my only thing against that "marriage" but forcing people to resign and stuff like that is going overboard. It is a bully mentality and I thought we suppose to curtail bullying.
 
Calling it Civil Marriage is being politically correct. Isn't that what the right are against? Being too overly PC?

As far as I know, the LGBT isn't calling for legislation for churches to force them to marry.

Yeah, ask me how tight I am with the right... You already know the answer to that one. And if the version I"m recommending isn't equal in every way legally to what you guys are suggesting what's wrong with it? The FACT of the matter is LGBT doesn't want equal, they want it to be the SAME and it just isn't. I've already offered for what little it's worth, to propose an alternative that's equal in every way, but that isn't good enough is it. I've offered several compromises but that isn't good enough either. Once again it isn't enough, because (and you guys know this you just won't admit it) the LGBT wants to make sure their version of marriage is seen as exactly the same as any other form and it just isn't.

Let's be honest with each other about a couple of things. First of all most same sex couples aren't aholes like the LGBT, they're just regular folks in most ways who want to live their lives with the person they love and have a marriage certificate with legal rights such as inheritance rights, insurance, visitation, etc., Offer most of them what I'm suggesting and they're all over it. It's the radicals, the same aholes who inhabit every group you'll ever see, the 1% or 2% who aren't happy being "just as good as" they want to be recognized as being the SAME as they'll use legislation, judicial decisions, violence of their own if given the chance and their favorite weapon of all right now, peer pressure and character assassination. And for any of you who say they won't force churches to marry them at some point in the very near future are you really stupid enough to believe that? I've known most of you for years and I can honestly say no you aren't stupid at all, you're just seeing what you want to see. You want to be politically correct, you want to feel that rush of being progressive and righting old wrongs, and all the touchy-feely crap that goes with it.

The radicals aren't the MLK's of same sex relations. They're the Jesse Jacksons, the Al Sharptons, the (what's the one black dude with the real ratty dreadlocks on video who calls for a race war and to kill all the white people and that it'll take that before there's ever real equality). That's what they want. They want what a group of black girls at ORU of all places told my daughter back in 2008 after Obama was elected the first time around. "Now you white people have to be the slaves". Most black people don't feel that way, but the ones who do can kiss my ass. Most same sex people are just regular folks in everything except who they want to sleep with and live with. I actually have no problem with those people. You may or may not believe this but I actually had a young woman come out in my Geography class yesterday when they did their state presentations, talking about how she wanted to move back to NY state some day so she could get married. I couldn't look her in the face if I felt she didn't deserve rights, but I also can't look her in the fact and lie to her. I would be more than happy to give her equal rights in every way possible, except to call something like marriage between opposite sex the same things as marriage between two same sex people. You can call my compromise form of marriage equal to "regular marriage" and I'll be fine with that. You can give her preference of marriage every single right that "regular marriage" has and I'll be fine with it. I think just as highly of her as a person today as I did the day before yesterday. No more, no less. If there was a way she could live closer to her family and marry the person she loves that's fine with me as well.

Make no mistake though, what she wants I am fine with, what the LGBT wants is revenge for decades or even centuries of ill treatment. They want the same thing Jesse, and Al and the radicals who don't really give 2 sh!ts about other black people except as a means to an end. I'm totally fine with regular gay people, the radical LGBT folks can also kiss my ass. If you think they won't go into every church they can one day when they get the power to do so and force them to marry them then you need to sober the pfark up. These people don't want rights and decency, they want payback. They like having the power to ruin people's lives who dare to disagree with them. They're like a 12 year Al Qaeda recruit when somebody gives him his first rocket launcher for his birthday. He's heard all his life about the evil infidels and he's aching for some payback.

Every semester in American Government class and even in history classes when I can work it in, we talk about Matthew Shepherd in Wyoming and what happened to him and how wrong it was, and how I hope the guys who did that to him (his so-called "friends") get locked up for the rest of their lives, in a prison where just about everybody practices the same type of "sexual preference" that they denied him. I let it be known in no uncertain terms how wrong hate and intolerance are and how everybody deserves tolerance and respect.

Oh but I'm the neanderthal here, right, I forget. My bad...

Go ahead and support the radicals, who claim to work in the name of regular folks but only care about their own power trips. Watch while they do all the things I've said they're going to do, watch while they also get legislation passed so that pastors can't preach against sin without carefully leaving theirs out. You all know how many times I've pointed out all sins as bad and wondering why so many Christians ignore many of them to point an accusing finger at gays, you've heard me say that sin is sin, no matter who does it, no more no less. Watch as the LGBT gets the power to have all negative preaching or just speech in general labeled as "hate speech" and therefore made illegal. They'll be tracking down and imprisoning pastors who dare to say anything they don't want to hear. Who knows where their payback driven power trips will end? I'm sure you'll recognize them then though and fight back when other people's free speech rights are threatened. Yeah right!!! LOL

Go ahead and brand me whatever you feel like, I'm not the enemy, but I am also not a pushover for bullies. I guess you by now what they can kiss, right???
 
If you think they won't go into every church they can one day when they get the power to do so and force them to marry them then you need to sober the pfark up. These people don't want rights and decency, they want payback.

There is not enough thanks for me to give you for that line right there. This is their agenda. I am fine with everything else they want but making the churches marry you by bullying and what not, I don't think the Man upstairs will like that when it is written what a marriage is really is. When Judgement Day come and Peter is at the gates, he would just nod his head and pull the lever.....

This is referring to gays who push the button with bullying and destroying people lives ut those who carry Gods wishes and repent and have no ill will would be welcome like the church has declared. Just making that point.
 
AA you've taken a liberal position on this. Those more extreme than you on the right don't even want Civil Marriage. They were the ones proposing Constitutional Amendments to ban it or indirectly ban it!

I mean Bachmann was talking about it at the 2012 debates and the other sheep didn't disagree. Only Ron Paul says states rights yadda yadda. This is not a states' rights issue but a national one.
 
And it "evolved".

Much like the Republican Party "evolved" on being "fiscal conservatives" once Obama got into office.

Even if he did change his opinion, he's in the right now.
 
AA you've taken a liberal position on this. Those more extreme than you on the right don't even want Civil Marriage. They were the ones proposing Constitutional Amendments to ban it or indirectly ban it!

I mean Bachmann was talking about it at the 2012 debates and the other sheep didn't disagree. Only Ron Paul says states rights yadda yadda. This is not a states' rights issue but a national one.

I wouldn't say that per se, when you do the Liberal/Conservative thingy test, I am right in the middle toward Libertarian. My angst is against stupidity shown by both sides.

I just want them to take religion out of the equation. Only a few outliers (cult) churches would do the ceremony but they all will welcome gays into the church. They might not approve of what they are doing if they are physical (biblically speaking) but they do know what is behind closed doors is between them and the man upstairs. I do not care what you do behind closed doors, again it is up to you and one that watches you, I am not a judge.
 
I wouldn't say that per se, when you do the Liberal/Conservative thingy test, I am right in the middle toward Libertarian. My angst is against stupidity shown by both sides.

I just want them to take religion out of the equation. Only a few outliers (cult) churches would do the ceremony but they all will welcome gays into the church. They might not approve of what they are doing if they are physical (biblically speaking) but they do know what is behind closed doors is between them and the man upstairs. I do not care what you do behind closed doors, again it is up to you and one that watches you, I am not a judge.

Way to make God sound like a perv
 
AA you've taken a liberal position on this. Those more extreme than you on the right don't even want Civil Marriage. They were the ones proposing Constitutional Amendments to ban it or indirectly ban it!

I mean Bachmann was talking about it at the 2012 debates and the other sheep didn't disagree. Only Ron Paul says states rights yadda yadda. This is not a states' rights issue but a national one.

Why do you feel the government needs to be involved at all?
 
Well I know this isn't your stance because you'd abolish the income tax. But when married folk are given different tax advantages than single folk it is a national issue.

But if the issue is to get tax breaks, why is there an objection to a civil union from the LGBT crowd?

Hell, I'd be fine with calling man/woman marriages "civil unions" and let the church call it a marriage.
 
But if the issue is to get tax breaks, why is there an objection to a civil union from the LGBT crowd?

Hell, I'd be fine with calling man/woman marriages "civil unions" and let the church call it a marriage.

Which is something I recommended years and years ago.
 
Which is something I recommended years and years ago.

LGBT crowd will spit on you if that is the case. They want everything. They want everyone to submit to them, accept them, there is no other, especially the church. Why?

Not everyone accepts me and I am fine with that, why can't they strong enough within themselves to accept who they are and not force anyone to it. I don't try it and it never occurred to me to bend someone else will.

And I do agree with you and Sturg on this matter.
 
LGBT crowd will spit on you if that is the case. They want everything. They want everyone to submit to them, accept them, there is no other, especially the church. Why?

Not everyone accepts me and I am fine with that, why can't they strong enough within themselves to accept who they are and not force anyone to it. I don't try it and it never occurred to me to bend someone else will.

And I do agree with you and Sturg on this matter.

This is exactly right. LGBT crowd is completely insane
 
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