Obamas foreign policy record stands on its own. The number threat to world peace is radical Islamic The world is more unstable and dangerous. ANd his lack of swift actions long ago set the battle pieces up for the next 100 years.
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Obamas foreign policy record stands on its own. The number threat to world peace is radical Islamic The world is more unstable and dangerous. ANd his lack of swift actions long ago set the battle pieces up for the next 100 years.
57Brave
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Radical Islam -- kind of a loaded term that signifies --- nothing
how many Americans on American soil died from " Radical Islam" in the past year ?
how many Americans were shot by american police in the past year ?
Not saying that American police is the greatest danger we face but pointing out data doesn't square with your premise
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I would say the contextual jury is still out on Obama's foreign policy.
I thought it knee jerk invading Afghanistan --- so what do I know
I thought it was whack going into Iraq and lighting the match in the first place.
Kinda like Obama said about the economy "they drove the car in the ditch asked us to get it out -- then stand on the road yelling it isn't fast enough "
To my mind -- criticism of Obama's foreign policy starts with that notion.
After that , there have been no good options -- outside of just wahsing our hands of the mess.
But, the pottery barn Colin Powell spoke of.
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57Brave
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People tend to forget how much of the 2016 playbook had already been used in earlier years. Remember, the Clinton administration was besieged by constant accusations of corruption, dutifully hyped as major stories by the news media; not one of these alleged scandals turned out to involve any actual wrongdoing. Not incidentally, James Comey, the F.B.I. director whose intervention almost surely swung the election, had previously worked for the Whitewater committee, which spent seven years obsessiv
goldfly
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i'm a fan of Snowden
BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
The wests inability to see this is a global war saddens me. Whether the loss is in france/germany/USA/Britain/Turkey/etc... doesn't matter. This is a global war. To compare police activity of dealing with people breaking the law (mostly) to religious fanatics that behead people proves your ignorance on the topic.
Trump should stop staying it didn't have an impact because it clearly did.
However, he wasn't wrong to use the information.
57Brave
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Over the past 25 years if there was something there outside of whisper campaign -- there would have been indictments
There are/were no indictments because there was/were no cases of "corruption"
We have seen more evidence of blatant corruption in the past 6 weeks yet ...
Not real good at keeping your eye on the ball, are ya ?,
Was that the topic of this discussion?
No, it really isn't.
THe discussion is the hacks. IT'S THE TOPIC OF THE THREAD!!!
It has absolutely nothing to do with the shady dealing of Trump. By all means start that discussion in another thread but don't derail this one because you can't defend a statement that the contents of the Podesta e-mails weren't damning at all.
57Brave
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Tell me, if the hacks weren't about corruption were they really about John Podesta's dinner plans ?
Like I've been saying for months most of you wouldn't know corruption if it stole your wallet and bought your wife a dress.
http://www.freep.com/story/opinion/.../09/03/charter-devos-money-michigan/89774760/
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If the information wasn't damning, then why do you think it made an impact?
WOW - Brilliant.
Perception.
People don't have to look up the facts to perceive there's wrongdoing. We've already seen how one guy shot up the pizza joint because of spoof news. Now expand that to millions of average joes that vote but don't fact check or source their "news".
We'll never know how much the hacks and leaks helped Trump. It was a close race within the margin of error. Trump seems to be diverting and saying people are blaming the voting machines. Nobody has even brought that up except him.
To be honest I'd like to see what the hackers got on the RNC that they didn't release. Could be used to blackmail the GOP moving forward.