Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
Sadly it would seem that they cannot.
The Hope Above All Hope
- Thread starter clvclv
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Sadly it would seem that they cannot.
NinersSBChamps
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br> 2015 (Co-Winner)</BR>20
Never going to happen.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
I agree with the plan, but the Markakis/Olivera deals dont seem to make much sense given the team wont contend until 2018 at the earliest.
Greinke is a 32 year old pitcher who got twice as much as any hitter in last year's class. Is Cueto some elite pitcher as well? Cause he's gonna get more money than all but about 2-3 hitters this winter. Shark (the 4th best pitcher at best this winter) just signed for reportedly 90 million, right in line with Sandovals contract last winter as the top contract for a hitter.
Uh, what? Yes, Greinke and Cueto are both elite pitchers.
And everyone knew this year's pitching market was much better than the hitter's market. Just wait until you see the Heyward and Upton deals. And neither of those guys is as good a hitter as Price and Greinke are pitchers.
Greinke is sure. But Cueto is hardly an elite pitcher. When the class is better for pitching, that should drive the prices up for the hitters.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I think the comparison that has to be made is how much FA hitters who project at X WAR are being paid compared to FA pitchers with similar projections. I've done this comparison the last few off-seasons. Before last off-season pitchers were being paid more. Last off-season hitters were paid more. Too early to tell this off-season. I have been surprised by the deals so far. The Greinke and Happ deals look especially rich.
The point is (whether traded now or later) the Braves will be absolutely loaded with what everyone will be looking for at a time when the market is barren. If you don't pay through the nose for those second- and third-tier SPs that are left at this point, your 2017 options are...
1,) Stephen Strasburg
2.) Andrew Cashner
3.) Edinson Volquez
4.) Brett Anderson
5.) C. J. Wilson
6.) R. A. Dickey
7.) Jered Weaver
8.) Scott Feldman
9.) Jesse Chavez
10.) Dillon Gee
Here's hoping you don't hope to contend this year or next year and have an important rotation piece get hurt. If that happens, the Braves, Mutts, and Angels could absolutely require you to empty your system.
1,) Stephen Strasburg
2.) Andrew Cashner
3.) Edinson Volquez
4.) Brett Anderson
5.) C. J. Wilson
6.) R. A. Dickey
7.) Jered Weaver
8.) Scott Feldman
9.) Jesse Chavez
10.) Dillon Gee
Here's hoping you don't hope to contend this year or next year and have an important rotation piece get hurt. If that happens, the Braves, Mutts, and Angels could absolutely require you to empty your system.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
saw this on another board, not saying Cueto > Greinke, but he's an ace.
From 2011 to 2014, guess who is who.
W-L......GS......K/9......BB/9......HR/9......ERA......WAR
63-23...122.....7.25.....2.21......0.81......3.16.....16.6
53-25...102.....7.33.....2.38......0.69......2.48.....13.0
I see that this figure conveniently fails to mention # of innings pitched during this span. And let's not act like 2015 doesn't matter.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
Again not saying Cueto is better but he's really good, not sure why he struggled with KC so much other than the playoffs where he was lights out in 3 of 4 starts
If you want to argue that Cueto isn't elite b/c he is hurt too often, fine. But when he pitches, he is elite. If he's not, then Greinke isn't, either.
Greinke is also a 6 WAR pitcher. Shark is a 2.5-3 WAR pitcher. Same as Sandoval going into FA. So yeah they are very comparable. Their ranking in a particular class (best or 4th best) doesn't really matter. What does is their actual value on the field.
Cueto missed most of 2013 but he was over 200 innings the last two years and also 2012. Yes 2015 matters but he was elite in Cincy and "struggled" for 13 starts in KC. So essentially you are ignoring everything he has done since 2011 and going off 13 starts to end 2015 when his BABIP was 343 which is very odd considering the defense KC had. I would make a strong bet his 2016 is very similar to his time in Ciny rather than what he did in his last 13 starts of 2015.