Carp
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I hope we'll pawn off Uggla to the loser of the Cano sweepstakes and keep mac
The Market for McCann
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I hope we'll pawn off Uggla to the loser of the Cano sweepstakes and keep mac
bravebonebook
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Pro athletes with the big contracts (7 digits per year kind) don't live in the 'real world'. Outside of tragedies to their family members, illnesses, etc. they don't face problems with mortgages, car payments or having to buy off the dollar menu at McDonald's. They live in gated communities with several expensive cars, an entourage, gourmet dinners, chartered flights, etc.
I'm sure BMac has (and will get) more than enough money to live very comfortably for the rest of his life by most people's standards. Will he take a little bit less to play for one team, his hometown team or abandon those ideals to get some extra millions for what? A yacht..an extra mansion...more ***elry or another luxury vehicle?
bravebonebook
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Well said. Money cannot buy everything but the numbers these athletes make can set their lives up quite comfortably forever. When did it become all about the money and just accepted to be OK to be so?
chopdrew
Lynchburg Prospect
Uh, outside of unicorn mcrainbowland, its been like that a long time. McCann will take the highest offer, and he should. Sentimentality doesn't play a role.
bravebonebook
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Ah, Unicorn McRainbowland...I remember it well. Was a super duper nice place before being trampled and destroyed by a waste management corporation needing more land. Shame what they did to all those bunnies.
Money. Guess it really is what makes me hate pro sports sometimes. But with this psychosis of being a fan, I'll continue to cheer for grown men (who could care less about me) playing a game and making millions of dollars to try to win a championship that will do nothing for my life other than make me feel a little better. All while I might not be able to scrounge enough dollars together to afford travel/hotel/food/ticket costs to even see them play in person.
So, in reality, if a fan favorite player leaves ONLY for the money it's all going to be OK because there's no crying in baseball..or sentimentality or ideals or lofty dreams. Got it. Thanks.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
There have been way more than one player who've signed a team friendly deal for various teams. Some examples, Cliff Lee signed the 3rd biggest offer to him tojoin the Phillies. Maybe 4th, I just know it was way behind the Yankees and healthily behind the Rangers.
Could he go Pujols and spurn his home team? Sure. But he could also want to thrive as a hero for Atlanta.
Carp
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Yes, but Lee is still one of the 10 best paid players in all of baseball I believe. So while he didn't take the highest offer, he didn't really do the Phils any favors so to speak with the contract he agreed to.
If the Braves offer a similar amount per season to the offers out there, I fully expect Mac to come back. If we lowball him (as we often do with our free agents) then I fully expect him to move on.
Never understood why we are so reluctant to pay our own free agents what it takes to keep them around, but we bid against ourselves in cases like Lowe and Upton.
If the Braves offer a similar amount per season to the offers out there, I fully expect Mac to come back. If we lowball him (as we often do with our free agents) then I fully expect him to move on.
Never understood why we are so reluctant to pay our own free agents what it takes to keep them around, but we bid against ourselves in cases like Lowe and Upton.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
He still turned out nearly 20 million dollars to join the Phillies. Maybe more. Phillies are paying Lee that's for sure. But we'll be paying Mac. I highly doubt that Mac will take more in FA than Molina's 5/75 so I think if he gets offers of say 5/70 from the Rangers and we offer 4/48 with incentives and a vesting option, he may verywell take it to stay here and be a fixture.
cajunrevenge
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While I accept the argument that he wont take a lower contract to stay with the Braves I do not accept that he should take the highest offer. Hudson valued playing for the Braves at a 25% discount. Chipper took less money to be a Brave and even gave money back to help the team. Smoltz took less money to stay and be a reliever rather than more money to be a starter for the Yankees despite not even wanting to be a closer. I wont be upset if he leaves for a lot more money, but I will be if he leaves over 1 mill a year. I think if the Braves offer him a reasonably fair deal he will stay. I would put that at about 4-5 years at 15 million a year. It wouldnt be so big a deal to me if he didnt grow up in Georgia as a Braves fan. He dreamed of playing for the Braves, it would just signify that he is a changed man if he turned his back on that dream. I think he stays though.
cajunrevenge
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/tom_verducci/03/23/chipper.jones.japan/index.html
Chipper reworked his contract after the 2005 season saving the team 15 million over 3 years so they could be more competitive. His loyalty to the team is part of his legacy. He was getting paid 16 million a year 10 years ago so he wasnt getting chump change but the team had more money back then too. When someone talks about the draft and the #1 overall pick you almost always hear them say that you want to draft the next Chipper Jones with that pick. People will be saying that for the next 20+ years. Teams have made trades with the Braves specifically saying they wanted a player who had played with Chipper Jones. I just want to see Brian continue the legacy of Chipper Jones. I do think people are jumping to conclusions that he will leave for more money. The reason he wasnt extended was because he was having down years so it was hard to pin down what his value was. Obviously McCann thought those years were abberations and the Braves needed to make sure of that before committing a ton of money to him.
Chipper reworked his contract after the 2005 season saving the team 15 million over 3 years so they could be more competitive. His loyalty to the team is part of his legacy. He was getting paid 16 million a year 10 years ago so he wasnt getting chump change but the team had more money back then too. When someone talks about the draft and the #1 overall pick you almost always hear them say that you want to draft the next Chipper Jones with that pick. People will be saying that for the next 20+ years. Teams have made trades with the Braves specifically saying they wanted a player who had played with Chipper Jones. I just want to see Brian continue the legacy of Chipper Jones. I do think people are jumping to conclusions that he will leave for more money. The reason he wasnt extended was because he was having down years so it was hard to pin down what his value was. Obviously McCann thought those years were abberations and the Braves needed to make sure of that before committing a ton of money to him.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
I think there is something to being a Brave for life. McCann knows that will open up opportunities after he retires to make money. Plenty of stuff around ATL. Likely a retired number in ATL even if he's not a HOF.
But I also don't think he'll take 75 cents on the dollar. Their is a price for all of that legacy stuff, it's prob in the 90 cent on the dollar range.
But I also don't think he'll take 75 cents on the dollar. Their is a price for all of that legacy stuff, it's prob in the 90 cent on the dollar range.
sturg33
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Let's be realistic here.
6 months ago, the Braves gave BJ Upton $15 million a year. They gave Dan Uggla $13 million a year. Brian McCann is twice the player BJ Upton is. If I'm him, and the Braves offered me less than they gave BJ Upton, I'd be really insulted. It doesn't matter how much money he has or can lead to a comfortable life. It's that the Atlanta Braves don't value McCann more than BJ Upton.
I'd be shocked if he stayed for less than $15 million, and won't begrudge him a bit if we lowball him and he leaves.
6 months ago, the Braves gave BJ Upton $15 million a year. They gave Dan Uggla $13 million a year. Brian McCann is twice the player BJ Upton is. If I'm him, and the Braves offered me less than they gave BJ Upton, I'd be really insulted. It doesn't matter how much money he has or can lead to a comfortable life. It's that the Atlanta Braves don't value McCann more than BJ Upton.
I'd be shocked if he stayed for less than $15 million, and won't begrudge him a bit if we lowball him and he leaves.
Heyward
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Not sure Philly signs him.
As previously mentioned, they are very left handed heavy.
If you add Mac on top of Howard, Utley, Brown, and Revere, that's 5/8 of the lineup that's lefty, as well as maybe Achse who is lefty as well which makes it 3/4 of the lineup left handed. If they go with him at 3B.
They need some right handed power. Wouldn't surprise me if they brought back Pence.
I'd still guess an AL team signs him if he doesn't take less to stay.
Would say the Rangers.
As previously mentioned, they are very left handed heavy.
If you add Mac on top of Howard, Utley, Brown, and Revere, that's 5/8 of the lineup that's lefty, as well as maybe Achse who is lefty as well which makes it 3/4 of the lineup left handed. If they go with him at 3B.
They need some right handed power. Wouldn't surprise me if they brought back Pence.
I'd still guess an AL team signs him if he doesn't take less to stay.
Would say the Rangers.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
I don't think that's very competitive.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
LMAO better person by what standards? Yours?
There could be a lot of reasons he would want to play elsewhere. Money is one of them, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Your paragraph there makes you sound like a bad person, not Mac.
And that probably should have been in the thought process before signing BeeeJ. If Mac was offered that (or more) and declined, so be it. But, don't low ball Mccann when you are giving out absurd contracts to others.
gtcway
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Didn't think of it like that, but I absolutely agree.