The Mess in Egypt

thethe said:
They are animals in the middle east. NOthing has changed since the Persians.
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yeah, they should try to be like the United States

where we are the bastion of non acting like animals.

as long as you ignore how awful our culture really is
 
Ah yes - Iran. I remember when Michelle Bachman told me in October of 2011, that Iran was "literally within months of obtaining a nuclear weapon. And we know without a shaddow of a doubt that they will use that weapon to wipe our ally Israel off the map."

22 months later, and still no weapon...

But hey, we should probably get tougher, because it is "imminent."
 
I'm fine with the Iran stance. I just wonder what is going to happen there when the place implodes, which it will.

I've only talked with the soon-to-be ex-member of Congress about creeping Stalinism in the United States, but that was more than a decade ago.
 
goldfly said:
yeah, they should try to be like the United States

where we are the bastion of non acting like animals.

as long as you ignore how awful our culture really is
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They are animals. We are nothing like them. They treat their woman like they are dogs. No, check that...they treat their women like they are less than dogs. Nothing changes with them.
 
At the present there is no need to change course, as far as I can tell, on Iran - in either direction. Their weapons program has been slowed in numerous ways. Ahmadinejad is no longer at his post as president. And I'm hearing some really encouraging reports (from my perspective) out of Iran. I think it only bodes well.
 
thethe said:
They are animals. We are nothing like them. They treat their woman like they are dogs. No, check that...they treat their women like they are less than dogs. Nothing changes with them.
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I disagree. Our country can pretend to care about human life all we want but the fact is we bomb more innocent people than not, rarely bat an eye much less apologize, and go on as if we have the moral superiority. We treat our women like crap (transvaginal ultrasounds prior to abortions in some states - why exactly is that necessary?) too. We have one party completely opposed to abortion but then once the baby is born, they then want to cut any sort of support for the mother.

We're more hypocritical than substance.
 
CK86 said:
I disagree. Our country can pretend to care about human life all we want but the fact is we bomb more innocent people than not, rarely bat an eye much less apologize, and go on as if we have the moral superiority. We treat our women like crap (transvaginal ultrasounds prior to abortions in some states - why exactly is that necessary?) too. We have one party completely opposed to abortion but then once the baby is born, they then want to cut any sort of support for the mother.

We're more hypocritical than substance.
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Yes, we are as bad as those that cut off the clitoris of their women so they don't cheat. Gotcha.
 
CK86 said:
I disagree. Our country can pretend to care about human life all we want but the fact is we bomb more innocent people than not, rarely bat an eye much less apologize, and go on as if we have the moral superiority. We treat our women like crap (transvaginal ultrasounds prior to abortions in some states - why exactly is that necessary?) too. We have one party completely opposed to abortion but then once the baby is born, they then want to cut any sort of support for the mother.

We're more hypocritical than substance.
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:facepalm:
 
I know we do bad stuff - really bad - and yet to equate ultrasounds and opposing the killing of human life in the womb to the sort of treatment of women in many of the Muslim countries is just hard to figure out. Not to derail the thread, but if CK86 wanted a better example it would have been the horrors of abortion itself. Funny how differently we think.
 
BedellBrave said:
I know we do bad stuff - really bad - and yet to equate ultrasounds and opposing the killing of human life in the womb to the sort of treatment of women in many of the Muslim countries is just hard to figure out. Not to derail the thread, but if CK86 wanted a better example it would have been the horrors of abortion itself. Funny how differently we think.
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The point was (which I guess was unclear) we try to maintain moral superiority over everyone else and yet ignore the messed up stuff that our own country does. We say they're animals and they don't care about life - then we bomb innocent civilians all in the name of national security. Outrage? Nope, not a peep.

We allow abortions in the first place but then compound it by mandating rape via transvaginal ultrasound upon them should they go through with the procedure - both actions are considered "civilized". Once a baby is born, the support necessary for some - food stamps - are then cut by the same people mandating they don't get an abortion. Are the women only important when they have a baby in their womb? Why the lack of support for them and the baby when it's born? How do we value life so much better than others around the globe?

There are plenty of messed up things in this world, my sole point was that our country contributes our fair share of them (some more egregious than others) and shouldn't be acting like we're alone on the pedestal.
 
1. We don't treat our women nearly as bad as the ME.

2. We kill more people in the world than every other country combined. Just collateral damage though so no big deal

3. We lock up our own citizens more than any other country in the world. Land of the free, you know.

So, CK86 is wrong to try to compare the women thing, but he is totally right about the hypocrisy of the US. We should be ashamed of much of what we do, especially in other countries.
 
a person i met in Egypt just posted this on their facebook page (in case you want at least 1 perspective of what is going on on the ground there)

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I'm curious, [MENTION=130]goldfly[/MENTION] ... do you agree with that particular stance? Or do you believe intervention is necessary?
 
i think this is their matter and don't think we or anyone else should intervene

at this time of course. it is a matter and opinion that could evolve at anytime though of course

side note, it is crazy to me to see Americans ***** and moan about Muslim Brotherhood and call them terrorists etc etc here for months and complain that Obama is giving them money and all that. Then Egypt determines they want nothing to do with them and starts a campaign of "you can join us or you will be left out but we aren't going to be like you (MB)" and the same people that complained about Obama on this issue complain he let this happen etc etc etc

and i am in no way a fan of Obama but this is more a comment on why i hate American politics
 
The Egyptian people need this. And they need to do it for themselves (by themselves).
 
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