yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
Maybe they should have stopped playing more terrible players in the past then? If this is the first time a player that poor had stopped playing for a while, that's a problem.
The Official It's Better for Everyone That Dan Uggla's Done Thread
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Maybe they should have stopped playing more terrible players in the past then? If this is the first time a player that poor had stopped playing for a while, that's a problem.
VirginiaBrave
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I wasn't speaking in terms of him being released. I was speaking in terms of sending him somewhere to get at bats with no pressure. Hoping he would get straightened out a bit.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
Like where? He would never accept an assignment. I wish they got rid of him months ago, but as long as they're paying him it's their call.
TomahawkCult
Arizona Fall Leaguer
As yeezus says above, he could refuse to be sent down due to his time served.
VirginiaBrave
Well-known member
Reggie Sanders, BJ Surhoff, Raul Mondesi, Brian Jordan 2nd stint all come to mind as players that fit that bill and all got better treatment than Uggs has gotten.
VirginiaBrave
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And I assume that is what happened, but it must have been nasty behind closed doors because of the way he has been used.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Um, how so?
VirginiaBrave
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They were given a way out rather than pushed to the end of the bench and not used.
I think all of those guys made combined what Uggla makes this year.
VirginiaBrave
Well-known member
I get that but this has been odd to say the least.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
As bad as all of those guys played in the stints relevant to this situation, none of them played as poorly as Uggla has since the middle of last season (Mondesi is very close). The other thing is that Sanders and Jordan could still play good defense.
Uggla is a one-tool player and he never was a very good fastball hitter. His plus in addition to his impressive power was that he could fight enough stuff off to draw walks and hit mistakes 400-plus feet. But when he could no longer hit average fastballs, there was no reason to throw him anything else.
But he plays one position (which he plays poorly) and he can't run. To have any value, he has to be a starter and it's obvious he's not a big-league starter anymore.
PS--There's very little difference between DFA and outright waivers in this instance. If they waive Uggla, he won't accept an assignment to Gwinnett if he clears waivers and as a result he'll simply be released. Given his salary, no one is going to claim him so the Braves will be on the hook for the remainder of his contract.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
BJ was underwhelming but not the gaping vortex of suck that Uggla is. Sanders was given a chance to play through his struggles because of, if nothing else, lack of internal options. He was Uggla 2013-bad, which is less than half as bad as 2014 Uggla. Mondesi was signed for $1M and Jordan for $700K, so cutting them was not an issue, as it is with a guy who's owed $25M.
So, no, none of those situations were more than superficially comparable.
TomahawkCult
Arizona Fall Leaguer
That process can't start until he's DFA.
rico43
<B>Director of Minor League Reports</B>
The facts seem to be that Uggla did not arrive at Saturday's game until about one hour before the first pitch. Don't know if he had an excuse, because he was not allowed to be at the park Sunday -- even though his jersey was still in his locker.
Good point someone made that he wasn't even in full uniform in the dugout recently (no jersey under his jacket). Fredi said he expected him to be back on Friday, but it's not Fredi's call -- and he tried to diplomatically point that out after the game Sunday. DOB has hinted that Liberty was more than a little aware of the bind his contract was putting the team in, but this is why businessmen should have little or no say in roster decisions.
Speaking of Liberty, I noticed where the Braves drafted three Colorado high school kids who had no shot of signing and may not have been real prospects. Did they throw a bone to some Liberty daddies?
Good point someone made that he wasn't even in full uniform in the dugout recently (no jersey under his jacket). Fredi said he expected him to be back on Friday, but it's not Fredi's call -- and he tried to diplomatically point that out after the game Sunday. DOB has hinted that Liberty was more than a little aware of the bind his contract was putting the team in, but this is why businessmen should have little or no say in roster decisions.
Speaking of Liberty, I noticed where the Braves drafted three Colorado high school kids who had no shot of signing and may not have been real prospects. Did they throw a bone to some Liberty daddies?
jsebe10
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You know what Dan's #s were before the trade and extension?
In the 2010 season, the year prior before coming to Atlanta, Dan had the following #s..
Batting Avg: .287
OBP: .369
OPS: .508
HRs: 33
RBI: 105
Runs: 100
2B: 31
He avg around 30 to 33 HRs up to that season and was about a .265 to .270 hitter...and more importantly, he was a 2B...
Please tell me how in the hell was this a mistake trading and signing this guy to extension at the time this took place? You think Frank Wren could have foreseen the outcome of his tenure in Atlanta before all of this and signed him anyway? At the time this took place, he fulfilled a HUGE need for this ball club, POWER. I am just a little confused on how you and some others want to tag this as a "Wren Mistake" when Frank, the players, the fan base, and hell even Dan himself never saw this huge drop off coming. Come on man.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Probably more of a bone thrown to the Colorado regional scout. All of those kids are signed to play college ball.
UNCBlue012
Well-known member
When this trade happened, I was so happy it wasn't even funny. I thought we were investing in a guy that could take our primarily contact driven team, add power and turn it into a true contender. Boy, he did not.