The Official Thread of Pachemonium
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BeanieAntics
Arbitration Eligible
Pache seems like one of the best candidates to have another meteoric rise in the rankings. Hopefully he actually made the adjustments necessary to produce some power.
Who seems like a good comp for Pache, assuming that he does end up developing above average power? I haven't seen anyone make this comp, but would Buxton be reasonable? When it comes to speed and defense they seem very similar.
Who seems like a good comp for Pache, assuming that he does end up developing above average power? I haven't seen anyone make this comp, but would Buxton be reasonable? When it comes to speed and defense they seem very similar.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
The Dominican trout.
GeorgiaGirl
NL Rookie of the Year
I already did an upside/downside post in another thread, so I'll do it again with the clear one. Upside is Lorenzo Cain with a tick more HR pop. Downside is the Andrelton Simmons of CF.
I've also seen McCutchen named as a comp.
I've also seen McCutchen named as a comp.
Can you please let me know who comped him to Cutch so I can be sure to mock them for the rest of my life?
Cutch has been a solidly negative defender in CF his entire career. Pache is supposedly the best defensive player in the minors at any position.
Your comp of Simmons in CF is probably fairly reasonable as one of his higher end outcomes. His non-injury floor is a defensive sub 5th OFer.
GeorgiaGirl
NL Rookie of the Year
He wasn't meaning on both sides, but I'm talking about Big Ben. The guy that now writes for a Twins fansided site.
BeanieAntics
Arbitration Eligible
Yeah I think a lot depends on just how good his defense really is. Is it young Peter Bourjos good or is it Byron Buxton/Kevin Kiermaier good? All I have heard is that he is the best CF in the minors defensively. If it really is that kind of good, his hit/power tools probably only need to get to 45/50ish levels for him to be a valuable major league piece. That type of transcendental defense can lead to some obscene WAR numbers. Kiermaier was a 7.5 win player in '15 with an OPS of .718 and an OBP that didn't crack .300.
I'm not saying that his defense is on that level. I truly don't know. But if it is, his bat only has to be below average-average for him to be a valuable piece. Now, if his bat actually becomes good too.... look out.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
Big Ben. Well cheff already mocks him so no worries.
SJ24
New member
It's Buxton level.
I think Pache also has a chance to be a .300 guy with 20-25 HR with a lot of steals.
He can be, like the poster said earlier, The Dominican Trout.
Deester11
Well-known member
Pache works his butt off and it showed from the beginning in Rome until the end of last year. He was a little gassed by the long season and I had no concerns with him. EXCEPT..the power. Last year I said he still sprayed line drives and just needed lift. I'm excited for him this year and should see him about 12 times this year.
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
I'll preface this by saying that I have never expected much out of him because of what I saw him do at the plate. With that out of the way....
It's hard to explain how just how good he is defensively, you just have to see it. His feet seem to instantly know where the ball is going to land in the outfield so he always takes perfect routes to the landing spot, a lot like Andruw did. Probably not as good at that as Andruw was, but he is also faster than Andruw. He also has a big time arm. I don't know what the evaluators say about it, but it certainly looks like it should be at the top of any grading scale. Every time I saw him in Rome I was blown away, I just didn't expect to see that level of skill in little Rome Georgia.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Pray that Pache learns to recognize the slider down-and-away. That kills Buxton the same way it bedevils Swanson. As for speed, Buxton is the fastest player in the majors, so that's a steep task for Pache to match.
Faster than Hamilton?
Turner?
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
I can't find the Fangraphs blog post from last year, but it had Buxton as the fastest player in the majors. But Statcast has Hamilton as the fastest with Buxton second.
It's impressive just to be in that group
ball4life32
Danville Rookie
Best Speed
Jorge Mateo, SS/OF, Athletics
Roman Quinn, OF, Phillies
Franchy Cordero, OF, Padres
Victor Robles, OF, Nationals
Cristian Pache, OF, Braves
Speed kills, both on the basepaths and in the field, and quite a few prospects can turn on the burners with the best of them. Jorge Mateo and Roman Quinn are two prospects who earn top-of-the-scale 80 grades from evaluators with their speed, while Franchy Cordero and Victor Robles have wowed with their speed in center field and the ground they can cover. Cristian Pache edged Mariners OF Ian Miller and Reds OF Jose Siri for the final spot, and there are plenty of players in the low minors who can fly, such as Angels OF Trent Deveaux, and still have a few years to grow into their bodies.
Best Defensive Outfielder
Victor Robles, OF, Nationals
Cristian Pache, OF, Braves
Brett Phillips, OF, Brewers
Magneuris Sierra, OF, Marlins
Braden Bishop, OF, Mariners
The greats make everything look easy, and Victor Robles makes the difficult task of playing center field look remarkably sol. With elite speed, a big arm and amazing natural reflexes and reads, Robles takes care of everything in center field in all directions to give the Nationals a future Gold Glove candidate. Cristian Pache draws similar raves at the lower levels, while Brett Phillips already has shown flashes of elite defense at all three outfield spots in the majors. Magneuris Sierra and Braden Bishop are elite defensive center fielders who edged out a strong crop of remaining candidates, including the Braves’ Ronald Acuna, the Reds’ Jose Siri and the Indians’ Greg Allen.
https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/best-tools-in-the-minors/
Jorge Mateo, SS/OF, Athletics
Roman Quinn, OF, Phillies
Franchy Cordero, OF, Padres
Victor Robles, OF, Nationals
Cristian Pache, OF, Braves
Speed kills, both on the basepaths and in the field, and quite a few prospects can turn on the burners with the best of them. Jorge Mateo and Roman Quinn are two prospects who earn top-of-the-scale 80 grades from evaluators with their speed, while Franchy Cordero and Victor Robles have wowed with their speed in center field and the ground they can cover. Cristian Pache edged Mariners OF Ian Miller and Reds OF Jose Siri for the final spot, and there are plenty of players in the low minors who can fly, such as Angels OF Trent Deveaux, and still have a few years to grow into their bodies.
Best Defensive Outfielder
Victor Robles, OF, Nationals
Cristian Pache, OF, Braves
Brett Phillips, OF, Brewers
Magneuris Sierra, OF, Marlins
Braden Bishop, OF, Mariners
The greats make everything look easy, and Victor Robles makes the difficult task of playing center field look remarkably sol. With elite speed, a big arm and amazing natural reflexes and reads, Robles takes care of everything in center field in all directions to give the Nationals a future Gold Glove candidate. Cristian Pache draws similar raves at the lower levels, while Brett Phillips already has shown flashes of elite defense at all three outfield spots in the majors. Magneuris Sierra and Braden Bishop are elite defensive center fielders who edged out a strong crop of remaining candidates, including the Braves’ Ronald Acuna, the Reds’ Jose Siri and the Indians’ Greg Allen.
https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/best-tools-in-the-minors/
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