The Siege of Minneapolis

zitothebrave said:
I find it funny that on every single major civil and human rights issue over the last 10 years I'm happy to find myself on the opposite side of the people who are OK with a US citizen who was executed on the street, or a woman who was shot trying to avoid ICE battering her, or spending more money on ICE than Turkey spends on it's military or any number of other things I can point to as absurd violations of what should be the core of who you are as a "libertarian" that you've embraced because you're not a libertarian.
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Im furious that the governor of Minnesota told his citizens to go to war with ice and that's led to two needless deaths of radicalized lunatics

Remind me your take on Ashley babbit and the family who went to the park during covid?
 
Jaw said:
I was on board with mask mandates and some of the other Covid stuff. I was wrong.
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We all get things wrong. But when you find yourself on the wrong side of every major issue for a decade.. you might just be a media sheep

Today's issue is ICE enforcement. The people who were wrong about covid, Floyd, Russia, Jim crow!, sandman, Bubba Wallace, and dozens of other things are now telling me that ice is mowing down innocent civilians and must be stopped
 
I think that the primary defense y'all can up with is "the left was wrong about George Floyd" is... pretty telling about how bad the facts are here.

I obviously don't hang out here that often anymore because it just people reposting from X and pretending that is a conversation, but sturg, you used to take all your political cues from Justin Amash, so I will post this and then go:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2015220654237221120

If you think Amash is now woke or whatever now, that probably says more about your own political journey.
 
thethe said:
Has every single person who has resisted ICE been shot full of bullets?
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No, you said to my question which is me saying someone shot full of bullets in broad daylight who wasn't a danger an execution you said
"the ones that resist arrest? A sad situation due to radicalization of the left."

You're the one who said resisting arrest is justifiable to riddle someone with bullets. Not me. You.
 
zitothebrave said:
No, you said to my question which is me saying someone shot full of bullets in broad daylight who wasn't a danger an execution you said
"the ones that resist arrest? A sad situation due to radicalization of the left."

You're the one who said resisting arrest is justifiable to riddle someone with bullets. Not me. You.
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No resisting arrest leads to scenarios where they can happen. It’s rare but it happens.
 
Metaphysicist said:
I think that the primary defense y'all can up with is "the left was wrong about George Floyd" is... pretty telling about how bad the facts are here.

I obviously don't hang out here that often anymore because it just people reposting from X and pretending that is a conversation, but sturg, you used to take all your political cues from Justin Amash, so I will post this and then go:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2015220654237221120

If you think Amash is now woke or whatever now, that probably says more about your own political journey.
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Its not just the same people who get everything wrong... I have agency here.

The government of Minnesota is refusing to comply with federal law. In an ideal world, they would arrest illegals, contact ICE and ICE shows up to the jails to remove them. They refuse. So this is the alternative.

Question for you Meta. Can we not act like ICE on the streets was step 1 here?

Minnesota declared themselves a sanctuary city. Why are you OK with that?

Minnesota is actively telling their citizens to get out and agitated. "War" was the term the governor used. Why are you OK with that?

So that brings us here and its gotten messy AND ALSO completely avoidable. And we know the left wants chaos to break the will of the effort. Im glad that has not happened yet.

As for Amash, he is a brilliant thinker and ideologically consistent. However, where I have evolved (specifically thanks to covid) is that, while I wish to uphold the law and live by the constitution at all times, the democrats simply do not share that. It is not possible to have a libertarian society when your opponent speed rushes to Marxism the minute they get in power (see Bidens border, or what is happening in VA). So now im on the side of undoing that illegal actions, so that requires a heavy handed immigration enforcement strategy.

It sucks we got here... but we didn't START here
 
zitothebrave said:
What was he doing in police custody? What illegal activity did he do to justify being assaulted and battered?
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This actually needs to be addressed again? How many times until it’s firmly established this wasn’t a first amendment protected action?
 
thethe said:
This actually needs to be addressed again? How many times until it’s firmly established this wasn’t a first amendment protected action?
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So you cannot film an agent on a public street? What law is that violating that this isn't a first amendment protected action.
 
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