Its always been on the lefts hands. THe outcome that happened is the one THEY WANTED.
Lets see what happens the next few days but right now its exactly as I thought it was going to play out in real time....as usual.
The Siege of Minneapolis
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Lets see what happens the next few days but right now its exactly as I thought it was going to play out in real time....as usual.
When you contort your view of anything that happens to perfectly match your narrative it’s quite easy.
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
You love to see it.
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
DHS reported a 1,347% increase in assaults on ICE officers in 2025 compared to 2024
There has been a reported 3,200% increase in vehicular attacks (66 incidents in 2025 vs. 2 in 2024), where protesters or bystanders allegedly used cars as weapons to block or ram federal convoys.
DHS reported an 8,000% increase in death threats against agents, including "bounties" posted on social media
There has been a reported 3,200% increase in vehicular attacks (66 incidents in 2025 vs. 2 in 2024), where protesters or bystanders allegedly used cars as weapons to block or ram federal convoys.
DHS reported an 8,000% increase in death threats against agents, including "bounties" posted on social media
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
Gemini, would the public be safer during federal immigration operations if local enforcement cooperated with federal agencies?
Focusing strictly on the operational safety during the enforcement actions themselves, there is a strong tactical argument that the lack of local police cooperation has created a more hazardous environment for the public.
Here is how the absence of local support changes the dynamics of an active immigration operation:
1. The Perimeter Gap
Local police traditionally provide "perimeter control"—managing traffic, keeping bystanders at a safe distance, and cordoning off the area of an arrest.
• Without Cooperation: Federal agents must execute the arrest while simultaneously watching their own "backs" for crowds or traffic.
• The Danger: This leads to chaotic scenes where bystanders are physically close to agents who have weapons drawn. In the high-stress environment of 2025–2026, this lack of a "buffer" has been a primary factor in agents deploying tear gas and pepper spray in residential neighborhoods to clear paths that local police would have normally secured with tape or cruisers.
2. High-Risk "At-Large" Arrests
When local jails refuse to honor ICE detainers, suspects are released into the community rather than being transferred in a controlled, indoor setting.
• Without Cooperation: ICE is forced to conduct "at-large" arrests in public places (grocery stores, bus stops, apartment parking lots).
• The Danger: Public arrests are inherently more volatile. They frequently lead to foot chases or high-speed vehicle pursuits through civilian traffic. In 2025, there was a 3,200% increase in vehicular incidents during these operations, posing a significant risk of collateral damage and accidents for uninvolved drivers and pedestrians.
3. Identity and "Friendly Fire" Risks
In many 2025–2026 operations, federal agents have operated in plainclothes or with masked faces and obscured badges to avoid being targeted by protesters.
• Without Cooperation: Because federal agents often do not notify local police of their presence (to avoid leaks), local police may respond to "man with a gun" calls from neighbors who don't realize a federal raid is happening.
• The Danger: This creates a massive risk for "blue-on-blue" (friendly fire) incidents or lethal confusion where a law-abiding citizen with a firearm might mistake a plainclothes federal agent for a kidnapper or criminal, leading to a shootout.
4. Use of Force Thresholds
Data from late 2025 suggests that when federal agents feel "exposed" or "outnumbered" by a crowd without local police backup, they reach for higher levels of force more quickly.
• The Danger: The five shooting fatalities during enforcement actions in late 2025 were largely characterized by DHS as "officer safety" responses to being surrounded or blocked. Critics argue these deaths were preventable escalations that wouldn't have occurred if a professional police perimeter had been in place to keep the crowd and agents separate.
Conclusion: Strictly from a tactical standpoint, the uncoordinated nature of these operations—where federal agents work in a city that is actively trying to hinder them—has made the physical act of enforcement significantly more dangerous for the agents, the targets, and the immediate public nearby.
Focusing strictly on the operational safety during the enforcement actions themselves, there is a strong tactical argument that the lack of local police cooperation has created a more hazardous environment for the public.
Here is how the absence of local support changes the dynamics of an active immigration operation:
1. The Perimeter Gap
Local police traditionally provide "perimeter control"—managing traffic, keeping bystanders at a safe distance, and cordoning off the area of an arrest.
• Without Cooperation: Federal agents must execute the arrest while simultaneously watching their own "backs" for crowds or traffic.
• The Danger: This leads to chaotic scenes where bystanders are physically close to agents who have weapons drawn. In the high-stress environment of 2025–2026, this lack of a "buffer" has been a primary factor in agents deploying tear gas and pepper spray in residential neighborhoods to clear paths that local police would have normally secured with tape or cruisers.
2. High-Risk "At-Large" Arrests
When local jails refuse to honor ICE detainers, suspects are released into the community rather than being transferred in a controlled, indoor setting.
• Without Cooperation: ICE is forced to conduct "at-large" arrests in public places (grocery stores, bus stops, apartment parking lots).
• The Danger: Public arrests are inherently more volatile. They frequently lead to foot chases or high-speed vehicle pursuits through civilian traffic. In 2025, there was a 3,200% increase in vehicular incidents during these operations, posing a significant risk of collateral damage and accidents for uninvolved drivers and pedestrians.
3. Identity and "Friendly Fire" Risks
In many 2025–2026 operations, federal agents have operated in plainclothes or with masked faces and obscured badges to avoid being targeted by protesters.
• Without Cooperation: Because federal agents often do not notify local police of their presence (to avoid leaks), local police may respond to "man with a gun" calls from neighbors who don't realize a federal raid is happening.
• The Danger: This creates a massive risk for "blue-on-blue" (friendly fire) incidents or lethal confusion where a law-abiding citizen with a firearm might mistake a plainclothes federal agent for a kidnapper or criminal, leading to a shootout.
4. Use of Force Thresholds
Data from late 2025 suggests that when federal agents feel "exposed" or "outnumbered" by a crowd without local police backup, they reach for higher levels of force more quickly.
• The Danger: The five shooting fatalities during enforcement actions in late 2025 were largely characterized by DHS as "officer safety" responses to being surrounded or blocked. Critics argue these deaths were preventable escalations that wouldn't have occurred if a professional police perimeter had been in place to keep the crowd and agents separate.
Conclusion: Strictly from a tactical standpoint, the uncoordinated nature of these operations—where federal agents work in a city that is actively trying to hinder them—has made the physical act of enforcement significantly more dangerous for the agents, the targets, and the immediate public nearby.
Tapate50
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No one admits anything. They just find the next grievance to move onto and bury this.
I think it’s very likely we’ll see both sides work together better.
Right-wing mobs going after everyone in a Signal chat is not a good time for the people in said chat.
Remains to be seen where we end up, but there’s a difference between doing crowd control at a hotel and aiding in deportation operations.