VirginiaBrave
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What's absurd in the USA is the color of your skin can make you a target. Even worse when the leader of our country harps on about a non-existent invasion.
The Trump Presidency
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It is mistifying that people like Eric Garner can get killed, but the El Paso shooter can murder 30 people in cold blood and be taken into custody with barely a scratch on him.
I'm sure [MENTION=78]cajunrevenge[/MENTION] would agree.
I'm sure [MENTION=78]cajunrevenge[/MENTION] would agree.
Its important to keep the shooter alive. Any terror cells need to be identified and erradicated.
And white peoplr are a target in foreign countries. What the hell is your point here?
This person was pathetic and needs to be studied so we can be preventative (mental illness / social media / gaming culture) as opposed to be reactive (racism/gun control)
You guys just arent serious about finding answers.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
This doesn’t seem to track with your frequent assertions that white supremacist extremist violence is inconsiderable, irrelevant, or nonexistent.
sturg33
I
Well they are irellevant in the macro
That doesn't mean they dont exist. And they are likely growing as whiteness is public enemy number 1 and the extremists will certainly respond
"We're talking to a lot of people. And a lot of things are in the works. And a lot of good things. We have done much more than most administrations. And, it does, it's really not talked about very much. But we've done actually a lot. But perhaps more has to be done. But this is also a mental illness problem. If you look at both of these cases, this is mental illness. These are really people that are very very seriously mentally ill, so a lot things are happening. A lot of things are happening right now, and I will see you tomorrow at 10 o'clock."
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
From the WSJ editorial board.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-killers-in-our-midst-11564958792?mod=mhp
The mass shootings in El Paso and Dayton over the weekend are horrifying assaults on peaceful communities by disturbed young men. American politics will try to simplify these events into a debate about guns or political rhetoric, but the common theme of these killings is the social alienation of young men that will be harder to address.
One response to reject is the reflex to blame these shootings on political opponents. Before noon on Sunday we received an email from the Progressive Democrats of America declaring that “we blame President Trump for feeding into the anti-immigrant frenzy and white supremacist violence. Yes, you Mr. President had your finger on that AK-47.”
This is political cynicism. Mass shootings also occurred under Presidents Obama, Bush and Clinton. They occur around the world, if much less frequently, such as in Christchurch, New Zealand (2019), Australia (2019), and Norway (2011). The twisted motivations are varied and often too convoluted to sort into any clear ideology.
Take the El Paso shooter, who is suspected of writing a manifesto posted on the 8chan website before the rampage. He expressed sympathy for the racial motivations of the Christchurch killer and denounced Hispanic immigration, but he also raged against “unchecked corporations” who support immigration and pollute the land.
This is the rant of someone angry about a society he doesn’t feel a part of and doesn’t comprehend. It is all-too-typical of most of these young male killers who tend to be loners and marinate in notions they absorb in the hours they spend online. They are usually disconnected to family, neighborhood, church, colleagues at work, or anything apart from their online universe.
These men may draw inspiration from one another online, and any communication or common connection needs to be investigated. The FBI says it has made 100 arrests related to domestic terrorism in the last nine months. But blaming all this on one politician or ideology, left or right, without evidence of such a connection is disingenuous and counterproductive.
Yet politicians and other leaders do have a responsibility to condemn and marginalize those who indulge the ugly instincts that infect any human society. That includes the President of the United States. These columns have long warned Mr. Trump about the divisive tone of his public rhetoric. He should separate himself forcefully and consistently from alt-right and white-supremacy voices.
His supporters may be correct that Mr. Trump’s opponents will not reciprocate by pushing back against the irrational elements on the left. But a President has a special role in the American system even if our politics has elevated the Presidency more than it should. Either Mr. Trump restrains his rhetoric or he will pay a consequential political price. Joe Biden’s theme of a return to “decency” and “normalcy” will resonate with even millions of Trump voters if Mr. Trump doesn’t change.
One place for leaders to focus, as we’ve long argued, is mental health. This is a matter of policy more than money. HHS’s mental-health division projects mental-health spending from all sources, public and private, will be about $238 billion in 2020, up from $147 billion in 2009. Mental health is an “essential” benefit under ObamaCare, and California passed a 1% income-tax surcharge expressly for mental health.
I took the liberty of bolding 3 points that I think were especially good.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-killers-in-our-midst-11564958792?mod=mhp
The mass shootings in El Paso and Dayton over the weekend are horrifying assaults on peaceful communities by disturbed young men. American politics will try to simplify these events into a debate about guns or political rhetoric, but the common theme of these killings is the social alienation of young men that will be harder to address.
One response to reject is the reflex to blame these shootings on political opponents. Before noon on Sunday we received an email from the Progressive Democrats of America declaring that “we blame President Trump for feeding into the anti-immigrant frenzy and white supremacist violence. Yes, you Mr. President had your finger on that AK-47.”
This is political cynicism. Mass shootings also occurred under Presidents Obama, Bush and Clinton. They occur around the world, if much less frequently, such as in Christchurch, New Zealand (2019), Australia (2019), and Norway (2011). The twisted motivations are varied and often too convoluted to sort into any clear ideology.
Take the El Paso shooter, who is suspected of writing a manifesto posted on the 8chan website before the rampage. He expressed sympathy for the racial motivations of the Christchurch killer and denounced Hispanic immigration, but he also raged against “unchecked corporations” who support immigration and pollute the land.
This is the rant of someone angry about a society he doesn’t feel a part of and doesn’t comprehend. It is all-too-typical of most of these young male killers who tend to be loners and marinate in notions they absorb in the hours they spend online. They are usually disconnected to family, neighborhood, church, colleagues at work, or anything apart from their online universe.
These men may draw inspiration from one another online, and any communication or common connection needs to be investigated. The FBI says it has made 100 arrests related to domestic terrorism in the last nine months. But blaming all this on one politician or ideology, left or right, without evidence of such a connection is disingenuous and counterproductive.
Yet politicians and other leaders do have a responsibility to condemn and marginalize those who indulge the ugly instincts that infect any human society. That includes the President of the United States. These columns have long warned Mr. Trump about the divisive tone of his public rhetoric. He should separate himself forcefully and consistently from alt-right and white-supremacy voices.
His supporters may be correct that Mr. Trump’s opponents will not reciprocate by pushing back against the irrational elements on the left. But a President has a special role in the American system even if our politics has elevated the Presidency more than it should. Either Mr. Trump restrains his rhetoric or he will pay a consequential political price. Joe Biden’s theme of a return to “decency” and “normalcy” will resonate with even millions of Trump voters if Mr. Trump doesn’t change.
One place for leaders to focus, as we’ve long argued, is mental health. This is a matter of policy more than money. HHS’s mental-health division projects mental-health spending from all sources, public and private, will be about $238 billion in 2020, up from $147 billion in 2009. Mental health is an “essential” benefit under ObamaCare, and California passed a 1% income-tax surcharge expressly for mental health.
I took the liberty of bolding 3 points that I think were especially good.
1. Agreed
2. Only if Liz Warren vehemently disavows the far-left Dayton shooter.
3. You wish!
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
But this cuts both ways and those on the Right really don't 'fess to that.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
The Obama-Biden Restoration cometh. Nothing is going to change between now and November 2020. Biden by 6-10 points. This baby is baked. Might as well take it out of the oven.
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57Brave
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Seth Abramson
@SethAbramson
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3h
The reason the "Toledo" thing matters to me is because any man who'd actually
given any thought to a recent mass casualty event would've seen "Toledo" on the
teleprompter and realized immediately it was an error and said "Dayton" instead.
Trump didn't know because he didn't care.
@SethAbramson
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3h
The reason the "Toledo" thing matters to me is because any man who'd actually
given any thought to a recent mass casualty event would've seen "Toledo" on the
teleprompter and realized immediately it was an error and said "Dayton" instead.
Trump didn't know because he didn't care.
Tapate50
Well-known member
Can't disagree.
