The Trump Presidency

57Brave said:
The WaPo got their information from an allied foreign intelligence service on a routine heads up of "WTF is going on over there" .
McMaster you say denied the story's validity until

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whatever in the world this means
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this is McMaster earlier ion the evening.
The general consensus is his credibility stands next to Spicer

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Dana Milbank‏Verified account @Milbank

Dana Milbank Retweeted Donald J. Trump

SecState: He didn't do it.
Nat'l Security Advisor: He didn''t do it.
Deputy Nat'l Security Advisor: He didn't do it.
Trump: I did it.
 
57Brave said:
Dana Milbank‏Verified account @Milbank

Dana Milbank Retweeted Donald J. Trump

SecState: He didn't do it.
Nat'l Security Advisor: He didn''t do it.
Deputy Nat'l Security Advisor: He didn't do it.
Trump: I did it.
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there you have it...from the horse's ass
 
Trump is a dignity vampire. Proximity to him diminishes the people in his orbit, commensurate with their duty/willingness to paper over his lack of judgement, decency, and discipline.

Sen Corker:

“The White House has got to do something soon to bring itself under control and in order. It’s got to happen,” Corker said on Capitol Hill.

“Obviously, they’re in a downward spiral right now, and they’ve got to figure out a way to come to grips [with] all that’s happening,” he added.
 
Hawk said:
Are you suggesting that Trump should have denied the Russian Foreign Minister access to the White House to appease the press? That seems far more undemocratic to me.
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Not to appease the press. In light of the election shenanigans (here and in France), I think it would be perfectly appropriate to deny them an OO photo op. Denial/granting of access is a diplomatic tool.
 
Runnin said:
This story "found air" because the President tossed it into the wind, ignoring the ridiculously horrible optics of it. He needed to meet with the Russians because ... ???

That's what the Sec. of State is for.
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I am talking about the supposed classified 'leaks', not meeting with the Russians in general.

The only people who care about Trump meeting with the Russian Foreign Minister (and Russian Ambassador) are a vocal minority of the electorate. And they're working with a presumption of guilt and a set of hobbled together 'facts'.

Hopefully Trump continues to make good on his campaign promise to improve relations with Russia. We're losing strategic allies left and right these days - would be nice to have a couple left.
 
57Brave said:
The WaPo got their information from an allied foreign intelligence service on a routine heads up of "WTF is going on over there" .
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That's false.

We (the United States) got our intelligence from said allied foreign intelligence service (likely MI6 given the Russia butthurt) and that information was supposedly subsequently disseminated by Trump to the Russians ... as the story goes.
 
The "classified leaks" revealed yesterday weren't leaks but a heads up from a foreign intel organization.
The story before being published in WaPo was vetted through the intel community for not only verification but what information can and can't be published
That report was subject of a Maddow interview with Greg Jaffee who tells the story of who he got the info from,what info he received,where the event happened and when by recreating the timeline.

The article, if you ever read it, leaks no pertinent info outside of this happened in this meeting.
Trump himself gave the details to the Russians.
Unbeknownst to the intel community

Also she interviewed a CIA something or other that gave context, Bush had Putin to a daily briefing in Crawford, Tex with the blessing of the intel community.
In that they went to intel and asked if this could happen. Once given permission from intel they worked together on talking points of the meeting

For someone that has such pointed opinions, your information / knowledge of events is shaky to say the least
 
Hawk said:
That's false.

We (the United States) got our intelligence from said allied foreign intelligence service (likely MI6 given the Russia butthurt) and that information was supposedly subsequently disseminated by Trump to the Russians ... as the story goes.
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listen to Jaffe tell the story , not Trump surrogates.
 
Julio3000 said:
Not to appease the press. In light of the election shenanigans (here and in France), I think it would be perfectly appropriate to deny them an OO photo op. Denial/granting of access is a diplomatic tool.
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Maybe. And it certainly would've been fair turnabout given how Tillerson was treated by Putin a few months ago in Moscow.

That being said, the scenario you advocate (backed by the poorly substantiated reasoning you predicate it upon) is a prototypical example of petty and likely regressive diplomacy. And perhaps that's the design.
 
Hawk said:
I am talking about the supposed classified 'leaks', not meeting with the Russians in general.

The only people who care about Trump meeting with the Russian Foreign Minister (and Russian Ambassador) are a vocal minority of the electorate. And they're working with a presumption of guilt and a set of hobbled together 'facts'.

Hopefully Trump continues to make good on his campaign promise to improve relations with Russia. We're losing strategic allies left and right these days - would be nice to have a couple left.
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I know you are not gullible enough to believe that a Putin led Russia could ever be a true ally.
 
57Brave said:
listen to Jaffe tell the story , not Trump surrogates.
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I'm getting my information directly from the NYT, the Washington Post, and Reuters.

You misunderstood what happened, incorrectly stating that a foreign intelligence service provided the Washington Post with the story. I corrected you.
 
Hawk said:
Maybe. And it certainly would've been fair turnabout given how Tillerson was treated by Putin a few months ago in Moscow.

That being said, the scenario you advocate (backed by the poorly substantiated reasoning you predicate it upon) is a prototypical example of petty and likely regressive diplomacy. And perhaps that's the design.
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LOL. No comment.
 
Runnin said:
I know you are not gullible enough to believe that a Putin led Russia could ever be a true ally.
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We don't need Russia to be a 'true ally' to benefit from a relationship with them. We just need to stop making them the enemy for cheap political purposes.
 
Historically Russia has never been an ally of anyone except, Russia.
Are you relying on Putin to turn into Nelson Mandela ?

Who since 1990 has used Russia as a cheap political enemy outside of Sarah Palin ?

Sources " inside and outside of the administration." -Jaffe
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LOLGOP‏ @LOLGOP 13m13 minutes ago

LOLGOP Retweeted Maggie Haberman

The only surprising thing Trump has done as president is he hasn't literally stepped on a rake while golfing.
 
PublicPolicyPolling‏Verified account @ppppolls

For first time in our national polling we find support for impeaching President Trump- 48% in favor, 41% opposed:
 
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"I think it's too early to talk about impeachment" House Dem minority whip @WhipHoyer on #Trump #Russia Intel revelations
 
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