The Trump Presidency

saying use the word matter rather than investigation.

Leavenworth is chock full of people that co ordinated there characterizations

I too get squeamish when my bosses ask me to use one word over the other in interdepartmental memoranda

I mock
 
sturg33 said:
I know right? Funny that she doesn't understand that Dodd/Frank allowed the banks to consolidate and get bigger than ever.

But let the disciples cheer on
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Strange that people don't seem to understand that regulation only helps big business.
 
Julio3000 said:
So Comey's discomfort and apprehensions about that are legit but...
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I never said trump didn't do anything immoral. I'm just saying we need to stop acting like Trump is doing these insane things that have never been done before.
 
sturg33 said:
Lol so you only support gay rights if they vote Democrat. Cool
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Nope, I support gay rights across the board. Having this float in the parade is not a gay right though.

Pride parades are celebrations of being proud to be gay and celebrating that fact and life, not being proud to be American. In my opinion (and MANY others), gays who vote Republican are not proud to be gay. Either they are extremely ignorant to side with those who want to strip them of their civil rights (gonna help them build the ovens too?), or they are dealing with an unfortunate amount of internalized homophobia. They spit in the face of those who have fought for their civil rights that they're finally getting to enjoy some these days. If this was an American pride parade (or New Years parade or St Patrick's Day parade, etc), then I'm with you 100%.

I will take a step back though and say that they're not a hate group, so I shouldn't compare them to the KKK. Perhaps a better comparison would be if a gay conversion therapy group wanted to participate with a float.
 
DaneHill said:
Nope, I support gay rights across the board. Having this float in the parade is not a gay right though.

Pride parades are celebrations of being proud to be gay and celebrating that fact and life, not being proud to be American. In my opinion (and MANY others), gays who vote Republican are not proud to be gay. Either they are extremely ignorant to side with those who want to strip them of their civil rights (gonna help them build the ovens too?), or they are dealing with an unfortunate amount of internalized homophobia. They spit in the face of those who have fought for their civil rights that they're finally getting to enjoy some these days. If this was an American pride parade (or New Years parade or St Patrick's Day parade, etc), then I'm with you 100%.

I will take a step back though and say that they're not a hate group, so I shouldn't compare them to the KKK. Perhaps a better comparison would be if a gay conversion therapy group wanted to participate with a float.
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You are of the belief that if Republicans had it their way all homosexuals would be stripped of the progress made in the last 20 years?
 
thethe said:
You are of the belief that if Republicans had it their way all homosexuals would be stripped of the progress made in the last 20 years?
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I am of that belief, yes, if you're referring to the politicians. The voting record of Republicans over the past 20 years backs up that belief. If you're talking about the general population, then I believe the majority of Republicans would either support that position or don't care enough to stop it, as long as they get their guns and wall.
 
It comes across like that but considering blacks are more homophobic than whites by a very large margin, hell not even in the same area code, and they are Democrat. Its tough in my neck of the woods if you declare that you are especially black males, you will be be teased, but they will accept you with that stigma to them. This is the reason why they have to be quiet in pro sports in almost all instances and when you do declare, it does not end well.

Forcing someone to change the attitude is only making it worst it seems. Only acceptance can come from understanding and not demanding. I tell my several gay cousins that when they ask me why do people treat them like that. I just tell don't be forceful let them accept you for you and not let it be a "sexuality" that dominates your personality.

The LGBT is shooting themselves with the demanding part but they will not cross paths with blacks again. They avoid them because not too long ago one tried to explain their rights were similar to black civil rights. That did not end well. There is no comparison. I think the black person said something of the effect of "look at me, no, look at me, can I hide that when there is a sign on a door that say "Blacks are not allowed". Now look at you, I can't tell if you are gay or not unless you tell me. It took awhile for the gay person to finally get it. I do understand they don't want to hide and a lot of them don't. We have two at work, but don't flaunt it or make it about themselves either and all is good, great and cheerful workers too.

There is nothing to deny them of their happiness here in the States, might be dangerous in the Middle East though or Islamic Asia. Nothing, except being married in a church of their choosing which is basically not necessary in the grand scheme of life.
 
Pretty funny to me that the GOP cares about gays all of the sudden. They use gays to showcase how horrible Middle Eastern countries are. See! Those muslim countries do horrible thing to gays! Gays are treated better here. No kidding, but let's not pretend though that red states weren't/aren't actively passing state laws to undermine gay people and conservative politicians all those years trying to campaign on a constitutional amendment to "define" marriage or outright outlaw gay marriage.

Cue the Obama flipping on SSM and Clinton instituting DADT chirpers.
 
DaneHill said:
I am of that belief, yes, if you're referring to the politicians. The voting record of Republicans over the past 20 years backs up that belief. If you're talking about the general population, then I believe the majority of Republicans would either support that position or don't care enough to stop it, as long as they get their guns and wall.
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You will be surprise how many Democrats want their guns (again Blacks it is around 95%) too, especially here in Wisconsin and you would be surprise how many Republicans are against the wall, north of 70%. They think it is a waste of money.

Kind of a backhand statement their Dane if I may say so. You have to say both because a lot of blacks think like a Republican socially. So it is not exclusive to Republicans.
 
Forever Fredi said:
Pretty funny to me that the GOP cares about gays all of the sudden. They use gays to showcase how horrible Middle Eastern countries are. See! Those muslim countries do horrible thing to gays! Gays are treated better here. No kidding, but let's not pretend though that red states weren't/aren't actively passing state laws to undermine gay people and conservative politicians all those years trying to campaign on a constitutional amendment to "define" marriage or outright outlaw gay marriage.

Cue the Obama flipping on SSM and Clinton instituting DADT chirpers.
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Civil law it shouldn't matter what people think. I think the Republicans were scared that it would force churches to married same sex couples but in reality they can't. Marriage is a legal document not a church document. Must educate people the difference between religion and government. This is the reason why you can't have polygamy because legally it can't be done and morally it is unacceptable in MOST churches.
 
Forever Fredi said:
Pretty funny to me that the GOP cares about gays all of the sudden. They use gays to showcase how horrible Middle Eastern countries are. See! Those muslim countries do horrible thing to gays! Gays are treated better here. No kidding, but let's not pretend though that red states weren't/aren't actively passing state laws to undermine gay people and conservative politicians all those years trying to campaign on a constitutional amendment to "define" marriage or outright outlaw gay marriage.

Cue the Obama flipping on SSM and Clinton instituting DADT chirpers.
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It is pretty awesome that to some the Supreme Court decision was government overreach but the orchestrated attempt to get a constitutional amendment outlawing gay marriage wasn't.

I'm of the opinion that you can certainly be gay and conservative overall, but the Republican party itself has not stood up for gays at all.
 
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