The Trump Presidency

What bubble are you guys living in if you don't think majority of Americans distrust the news. This isn't even and left or right thing. It's all news.
 
Do those polls specify if they group stuff like Chris Matthews, Sean Hannity, or Glenn Beck as news since they're "journalists".
 
thethe said:
What bubble are you guys living in if you don't think majority of Americans distrust the news. This isn't even and left or right thing. It's all news.
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i would not dispute that there is a growing percentage of Americans who believe what they want independent of any objective criteria...distrust in the news is part of it...but i don't think it is the biggest part...know nothingness is strong in America...it has deep roots...and appears to be enjoying a Golden Age
 
jpx7 said:
I'm well aware, which is why I used the term I did.
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Gianforte was charged with misdemeanor assault. Under Montana law that is akin to slapping someone in the face (an action that causes any kind of pain ... aka a catchall), the threat of violence, or just 'insulting' physical conduct. I'd liken 'committing battery' more to aggravated assault. Maybe it's just me, but I find that a pretty important distinction to make. Now, if you are going with the non-legal definition of battery, I don't see the proof - either in the charge, or on the face of The Guardian reporter ... which would be no doubt be plastered everywhere if it supported the severity of that particular claim.

I'd quibble that, quite often, even "physical prompting" is not sufficient cause to draw a forceful response, depending on the context. So a question from a reporter, even if it's badgering, is leagues away from the threshold I consider necessary to merit a physical, forceful response such as that exercised by Gianforte.
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Well, given how ambiguous 'depending on the context' reads, it's hard to disagree with that sentiment. Each situation should be evaluated on a case-by-base basis. I could easily see a case built for Gianforte featuring elements of self-defense (the campaign has asserted that the reporter grabbed Gianforte's wrist first ... whether it's true or not, they floated that information almost immediately) and easily explaining away the assault between campaign anxiety and the reporter marching in the office uninvited (a subtle nod to security).
 
nsacpi said:
i would not dispute that there is a growing percentage of Americans who believe what they want independent of any objective criteria
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know nothingness is strong in America...it has deep roots...and appears to be enjoying a Golden Age
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I would pay good money to read a thoughtful bridging of these two ideas.

I see where you are going, and some there's some degree of truth behind it, but it's also dangerously simple-minded in its own right.
 
Good for Gianforte. Lost the governor's race to Bullock in a state trump won by 20 and his consolation is a house seat. The campaign ads against him are hilarious.

if you haven't definitely check out Steve Bullock. I think he's a darkhorse for 2020 and he's exactly what the Democratic Party needs to win back the rust belt and start winning the frontier states.
 
Forever Fredi said:
Good for Gianforte. Lost the governor's race to Bullock in a state trump won by 20 and his consolation is a house seat. The campaign ads against him are hilarious.

if you haven't definitely check out Steve Bullock. I think he's a darkhorse for 2020 and he's exactly what the Democratic Party needs to win back the rust belt and start winning the frontier states.
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What's his stance on marijuana legalization? Fair warning, if it's "it needs more study" your going to get a long post from me about why that is bull****.
 
thethe said:
What bubble are you guys living in if you don't think majority of Americans distrust the news. This isn't even and left or right thing. It's all news.
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The rise in the distrust of the news seems to have a strong correlation with the rise of FOX News and right wing media.
 
weso1 said:
He's a lifelong democrat and Trump is far from a radical.
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Trump isn't a typical radical, but his lack of policy and knowledge about policy coupled with his arrogance and aggressiveness does create an odd kind of radicalism. It's not predictable or based on anything other than the last person or program able to catch his ear and the right moment.

In some ways, he's much worse than "a radical". He's a deadly, toxic moth.
 
Forever Fredi said:
Good for Gianforte. Lost the governor's race to Bullock in a state trump won by 20 and his consolation is a house seat. The campaign ads against him are hilarious.

if you haven't definitely check out Steve Bullock. I think he's a darkhorse for 2020 and he's exactly what the Democratic Party needs to win back the rust belt and start winning the frontier states.
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Gianforte represents everything that's wrong with tone deaf Republicans. An out of touch, self-serving millionaire. Dated social positions. A pawn. He should've been red meat for the Democrats, who instead seem content sticking to an anti-Trump agenda instead of reinventing themselves as the people's party. The anti-Trump angle just isn't playing ... at least not yet.
 
Hawk said:
Gianforte represents everything that's wrong with tone deaf Republicans. An out of touch, self-serving millionaire. Dated social positions. A pawn. He should've been red meat for the Democrats, who instead seem content sticking to an anti-Trump agenda instead of reinventing themselves as the people's party. The anti-Trump angle just isn't playing ... at least not yet.
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But you're wrong. The Montana Democrats didn't run as Anti-Trump. Watch their Gianforte ads.
 
Forever Fredi said:
But you're wrong. The Montana Democrats didn't run as Anti-Trump. Watch their Gianforte ads.
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I meant that, in general, Democrats aren't promoting a substantive alternate political universe to support/exist in by way of their candidates. It's a matter of ... this guy is a Republican (which is an automatic Trump association) and he supports this and that (and a personal attack or two [in Gianforte's case: this rich guy transplanted from New Jersey less than 20 years ago]. Cut.

Quist took no strong position on health care reform except to say ... 'Gianforte supports Trump's plan (oh, and he used to like the ACA .. which I may or may not like ... I'll let you guess).'


This is spineless slop. And, let me tell you, announcing that your candidate had a 'botched gallbladder surgery' (whatever the **** that even means) is not relating to your constituents. It's idiotic.

The 2010 midterms were primarily a referendum on health care. Republicans kind of had it easy, given the failures the ACA experienced early on, and simply announced opposition to it with no real alternative (and look how well that's turned out). Democrats seem to think that they have the same luxury now. I disagree.

One of the reasons Bernie Sanders was such a successful candidate was because he was able to associate important causes (and free things) with his name. Democrats need to follow the same script. Champion one or two issues that resound with every American and aggressively push them. Health care could be one, but they've got to find a way to detach the ACA from the AHCA and unravel it in a way that doesn't seem like they are recycling old work.

The alternative needs to have substance this time. Fooled voters once, but I don't think it will again.
 
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