sturg33
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Let's read this headline slowly from the New York Times
LINK: Colleges Celebrate Diversity With Separate Commencements
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The Trump Presidency
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jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
This is why the real left eschews blanket identitarian measures (which are also frequently convenient distractions deployed by institutional neoliberals*) in favor of actually treating the historical and material causes of suffering in society. More division doesn't really serve us, even if the culture at large does have plenty of sins for which it could atone.
* A good example of this is Clinton's reinventing herself as some social-justice Wonder Woman cum Khaleesi, after a career of "super predators" and bloating the prison systems and using unpaid prison servants in her Governor's Mansion; yet somehow Sanders was portrayed as the candidate that wouldn't help minorities because he happened to live in Vermont.
sturg33
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Sanders' problem - in my opinion - is he is a socialist, and also a hypocrite.
I'm reminded as I read letters from Venezuelans about their current day-to-day and it's horrifying what their going through.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
Speaking as someone who hopes for the eventual (peaceful) downfall of capitalism: Sanders is not a socialist. As for hypocrisy—he's no more a hypocrite than your boy Ron Paul (and probably only slightly more than you or me, for that matter). For an electabibility standpoint, Sanders' problem was that he was constantly undercut by his own putative party throughout the nomination process.
As for the ghost of Chavez (about whom I have mixed feelings), and the general Bolivarian movement (about which I am positively disposed)—well Venezuela's current crisis is a lot more complex than just "lol socialism", though I'm not sure it's worth digging into that with you, given your ideological predispositions.
chop2chip
Well-known member
Seems like the general consensus from the Comey hearing is there really was nothing that vindicating for either side to grasp onto.
Trump doesn't emerge from it looking good, but apparently not guilty. Both sides have ample ammunition for their talking points and the world will continue to spin on its head.
I'll say this though. Hopefully this is the last relevant moment of James Comey's public life. That guy through his own narcissism (or ignorance, not sure what's worse) made a lot of mistakes the past 12 months.
Trump doesn't emerge from it looking good, but apparently not guilty. Both sides have ample ammunition for their talking points and the world will continue to spin on its head.
I'll say this though. Hopefully this is the last relevant moment of James Comey's public life. That guy through his own narcissism (or ignorance, not sure what's worse) made a lot of mistakes the past 12 months.
57Brave
Well-known member
Comey doesn't testify until tomorrow.
No one has even attempted to answer .....
Why did Trump go to so much trouble to squash the investigation
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weso1
<B>Clique Leader</B>
If you want to end peaceful trading of commodities and services between two voluntary entities, then it's going to be real tough to do so without the use of force. Socialism can't exist without a very serious threat of deadly force. It interests me when people are anti war, but support forced distribution.
One thing that might be nice is that if jpx7 wants to live in a socialist state he can choose to do so, and if weso1 and sturg want to live in a free economic society we should be allowed to.
Runnin
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Comey vs Comby
Why is Comey releasing statements before he testifies? This is shaping up to be another nothing burger.
Runnin
Well-known member
The lines between socialism and capitalism in America are blurred already. The rich and powerful who run the country are all for dipping deep into the communal purses when it suits them. And they do it often.
57Brave
Well-known member
Get ahead of the promised 3 AM twitter storm.
Only in the respect the (R) party is willing to give Trump a pass on admitted obstruction of justice
As long as they get repeal and tax breaks
Saul Good Man
sturg33
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The timeline of the Venezuela downfall is well documented.
It wasn't too long ago where Mr. Sanders was touting them as a model for America to follow
sturg33
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That's exactly right... Socialism requires force and the abandonment of individual liberty. How anyone can support it just baffles me
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
weso1
<B>Clique Leader</B>
What an absurd statement. True unfettered capitalism is the most moral economic system that exists. Two entities coming to a peaceful trade agreement. The only way you can make it immoral is to put quotes around the word voluntary. A lame stunt which ignores what capitalism truly is.
You think shared distribution by force is the more moral system? You've got the gun pointed to my head.
He's a piece of crap who should be held accountable.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
Yes: I think more equitable distribution of resources is more moral than the consolidation of wealth to the wealthy. The only way you can make the latter seem moral is by throwing around the word "absurd" and not making any real and material argument.
Capitalism has a gun to all our heads. We have no option but to participate, to sell our labor at whatever the holders of capital deem it's worth, and to rejoice in whatever scraps of the GDP trickle down to us. That's not freedom to me.
weso1
<B>Clique Leader</B>
I made two relevant arguments which you continue to ignore. Capitalism is an inherently peaceful economic system in it's true form and socialism in an inherently violent system. One requires a gun. How is it moral to hold a gun to my head?