The Trump Presidency

[Jaw]

As long as there are tax cuts on the table, there's reason to believe that this won't make much of an impression on them.

Every fellow Trump voter I have spoken with has named either Supreme Court picks or abortion as the reason they voted for Trump, not tax cuts. Trump (ironically) was elected because a lot of voters believe the country is in moral decline.
It's easy for any of us to take shots at the other side, but stop and think about how pissed off people had to be to stomach voting for Trump based on moral reasons. I wish Mitt had waited 4 more years for his big run.

 

[jpx7]

Every fellow Trump voter I have spoken with has named either Supreme Court picks or abortion as the reason they voted for Trump, not tax cuts. Trump (ironically) was elected because a lot of voters believe the country is in moral decline.

It's easy for any of us to take shots at the other side, but stop and think about how pissed off people had to be to stomach voting for Trump based on moral reasons. I wish Mitt had waited 4 more years for his big run.

Those "moral" reasons may have stimulated many segments of the base; but I think the actual elected members of the GOP, who'd otherwise act aghast at some of these allegations and much of Dumper's behavior, are eying that tax-cut carrot more than anything else.

 

[Julio3000]

Those "moral" reasons may have stimulated many segments of the base; but I think the actual elected members of the GOP, who'd otherwise act aghast at some of these allegations and much of Dumper's behavior, are eying that tax-cut carrot more than anything else.

^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[nsacpi]

Every fellow Trump voter I have spoken with has named either Supreme Court picks or abortion as the reason they voted for Trump, not tax cuts. Trump (ironically) was elected because a lot of voters believe the country is in moral decline.
It's easy for any of us to take shots at the other side, but stop and think about how pissed off people had to be to stomach voting for Trump based on moral reasons. I wish Mitt had waited 4 more years for his big run.

A counterfactual to consider. During the GOP primaries, Trump voters profiled as less religious and less concerned with social issues than other Republican voters.

 

[nsacpi]

I'd rather an actual connection as opposed to the rampant speclation brought on by an ideological group that is struggling to understand why they aren't in power anymore. So again, please tell me why it's so clear the this is Russian collusion.

This apparently is the worst thing ever committed while there are examples of Russian collusion on the 'other side' that is far more cinclusive but we are supposed to ignore all of that. This is the most pathetic reaction to an undesired outcome I've ever seen. This attempt at death by 1000 pricks will not work and in the end will make the dems worse off

I dunno what constitutes collusion if this doesn't. So I'm afraid I will not be able to help you.

And I might point out as a response to your last sentence that I am not a member of the Democratic Party and have no intention of joining it. I was a member of the Republican Party but took the trouble to change my registration to independent the day after Mr. Trump was nominated.

 

[VirginiaBrave]

Party aside, TRUMP is criminal and will not finish his term and his own son let the fuse. Poetic Justice!!!

 

[thethe]

I dunno what constitutes collusion if this doesn't. So I'm afraid I will not be able to help you.

And I might point out as a response to your last sentence that I am not a member of the Democratic Party and have no intention of joining it. I was a member of the Republican Party but took the trouble to change my registration to independent the day after Mr. Trump was nominated.

I wasn't 'accusing' you of being a democrat. I know what your stance is with regards to Trump and it's one that a lot of people share with good reason.

But again, the conclusion that this is an act of collusion is way premature and will not hold up. Also, as I've said in the past this narrow thinking that Russia is the only world power trying to sway influence is naive. This is an ideological battle of how the world should be run. Irregardless of the powers that be I'm never going to be on the side of those that want a large powerful central government whose main purpose is to have 'equitable ' sharING of resources by force. I will never side with the people that don't see a clash of civilizations is upon us. I will never side with people who believe that a country should not have borders.

So whIle I have to hold my nose at some things this administration does I firmly believe it's for the greater good and we will be better off for it in the long run. If anyone cares to look there have been many positives already achieved in the last 6 months and we will only see more moving forward. Not everyone will like it but that's just the nature of humans.

 

[Jaw]

QUOTE=nsacpi;407418]A counterfactual to consider. During the GOP primaries, Trump voters profiled as less religious and less concerned with social issues than other Republican voters.[/QUOTE]

Well sure. The rest of the Republicans were preferable to most regular churchgoers for obvious reasons.

My point is that Democrats should be concerned that those same people turned out well to hold their noses and vote Trump anyway. The Democratic party has become so unpalatable to most practicing Christians that they enthusiastically voted for a man like Trump.

 

[nsacpi]

QUOTE=nsacpi;407418]A counterfactual to consider. During the GOP primaries, Trump voters profiled as less religious and less concerned with social issues than other Republican voters.

Well sure. The rest of the Republicans were preferable to most regular churchgoers for obvious reasons.

My point is that Democrats should be concerned that those same people turned out well to hold their noses and vote Trump anyway. The Democratic party has become so unpalatable to most practicing Christians that they enthusiastically voted for a man like Trump.[/QUOTE]

the democrats are in deep trouble...trump has been a life raft for the but he won't be around much longer

 

[VirginiaBrave]

For my needs, Dems stand more for decency issues than hypocritical Repubs do. I will freely admit that I whole heartedly support stem cell research and such that most of you find reprehensible.

 

[VirginiaBrave]

Well sure. The rest of the Republicans were preferable to most regular churchgoers for obvious reasons.

My point is that Democrats should be concerned that those same people turned out well to hold their noses and vote Trump anyway. The Democratic party has become so unpalatable to most practicing Christians that they enthusiastically voted for a man like Trump.

the democrats are in deep trouble...trump has been a life raft for the but he won't be around much longer[/QUOTE]

You have that backwards. What's in trouble is conservitism.

 

[nsacpi]

the democrats are in deep trouble...trump has been a life raft for the but he won't be around much longer

You have that backwards. What's in trouble is conservitism.[/QUOTE]

I would say we no longer have a conservative party in this country...it remains to be seen how the niche gets filled

 

[jpx7]

I wasn't 'accusing' you of being a democrat. I know what your stance is with regards to Trump and it's one that a lot of people share with good reason.

But again, the conclusion that this is an act of collusion is way premature and will not hold up. Also, as I've said in the past this narrow thinking that Russia is the only world power trying to sway influence is naive. This is an ideological battle of how the world should be run. Irregardless of the powers that be I'm never going to be on the side of those that want a large powerful central government whose main purpose is to have 'equitable ' sharING of resources by force. I will never side with the people that don't see a clash of civilizations is upon us. I will never side with people who believe that a country should not have borders.

So whIle I have to hold my nose at some things this administration does I firmly believe it's for the greater good and we will be better off for it in the long run. If anyone cares to look there have been many positives already achieved in the last 6 months and we will only see more moving forward. Not everyone will like it but that's just the nature of humans.

Legit follow-up: let's say that 60% of your fellow folk in this country elect a "central government whose main purpose is to have 'equitable ' sharING of resources" via the institutional means to do so. Would you be comfortable with my saying, with you and your "never going to be on the side" of economic justice recalcitrance in mind, "Not everyone will like it but that's just the nature of humans."?

 

[jpx7]

I would say we no longer have a conservative party in this country...it remains to be seen how the niche gets filled

The current intra-party struggle amongst the Democrat's constituencies is, I believe, between folks who want to fill that niche (with a technocratic center-right party of corporate-friendly feel-good identity politics) and folks who want to run away from it (true economic justice leftists). It will be interesting to see if there is ultimate coalescence or fissure—especially if you are correct that the current jaundiced lightning-bolt of a President "won't be around much longer".

 

[thethe]

Legit follow-up: let's say that 60% of your fellow folk in this country elect a "central government whose main purpose is to have 'equitable ' sharING of resources" via the institutional means to do so. Would you be comfortable with my saying, with you and your "never going to be on the side" of economic justice recalcitrance in mind, "Not everyone will like it but that's just the nature of humans."?

What did I have to endure the past 8 years?

I won't act like a petulant child and expect an undesirable result to be changed just because youre upset (not accusing you of this).

Ultimately, I would have to make a decision if I want to live in a country that is run in such a way.

 

[Jaw]

For my needs, Dems stand more for decency issues than hypocritical Repubs do. I will freely admit that I whole heartedly support stem cell research and such that most of you find reprehensible.

Fortunately churches provide lots of opportunities to be personally charitable to others without the need to vote for the government to forcibly take even more from others to redistribute as they see most politically profitable.

 

[jpx7]

What did I have to endure the past 8 years?

If you just barely "endured" the milquetoast redistributive policies of the previous, big business-friendly administration, you're going to really want to run from what I want to see in this country.

Ultimately, I would have to make a decision if I want to live in a country that is run in such a way.

Unfortunately, it's not always that easy to relocate—especially with all the crazy anti-immigrantion sentiment floating around these days.

I'm definitely building up my credentials and making vague emigrating back-up plans, just in case this insane alt-right nosedive continues.

 

[VirginiaBrave]

You have that backward. What's in trouble is conservativism.

I would say we no longer have a conservative party in this country...it remains to be seen how the niche gets filled[/QUOTE]

My point is the Repubs have won both sides of an election (pop. vote and electoral) once since 1992. The future generations of voters are likely to vote Dem that Rep. The South will be flipping within a couple of elections. It's already happened in VA. NC is a battle every election. Texas and GA will soon follow. It's not the Dems that are in trouble based on trends.

 

[sturg33]

Legit question, because it's hard to keep up with every single post containing some new Russian angle.

What is it that the Russians did that resulted in Trump in winning?

 

[sturg33]

If you just barely "endured" the milquetoast redistributive policies of the previous, big business-friendly administration, you're going to really want to run from what I want to see in this country.

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We are much closer to your preferred economic system than mine