The Trump Presidency

thethe said:
As if checking ID is a voter suppression.

If there is no reason to worry then states should be cooperating. There are estimates of illegals in the country in the neighborhood of 11M. Those who are into more extremes think it could be more than 20M. Nobody really knows because big business LOVES their cheap labor and buy off politicians to keep their mouths shut.
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Checking ID (n) is "checking ID (v)

"Voter suppression" (n) is, Voter Suppression (v)

show us all those what started as "3 Million"- Trump or 11 M or 20M or whatever you feel like typing
 
thethe said:
Its a shame that he was assaulted by the media for complete fallacies. If he was treated fairly from the beginning he would have had more clout to do what we promised. But as always - the Globalists win.
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In this case, the military industrial complex wins. The thing the majority of our "leaders" want to throw an endless stream of money at while shortchanging things that might actually improve our lives and the quality of them.
 
thethe said:
Its a shame that he was assaulted by the media for complete fallacies. If he was treated fairly from the beginning he would have had more clout to do what we promised. But as always - the Globalists win.
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What fallacies do you speak of?

Is Trump still playing 4D chess with the media? How are they winning then?
 
bravesnumberone said:
In this case, the military industrial complex wins. The thing the majority of our "leaders" want to throw an endless stream of money at while shortchanging things that might actually improve our lives and the quality of them.
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The military industrial complex always wins.

Like it or not
 
Forever Fredi said:
You've never answered my question (channeling my sturg here) for years.

What is your viable timetable?

When do we know we've won?

Do we just stay there indefinitely like South Korea? Never actually winning just an endless stalemate?

We've been there 16 years already. What are we trying to accomplish here? The more Taliban we get rid of, they're going to spawn right back up when we leave. Iraq might have been a bit of a different story because 1)We should have never gone in there and even your boy Trump says that. Just ask Sean Hannity and 2) Iraq did have somewhat of an infrastructure for their military before we invaded just under Saddam's rule. Afghanistan had zilch just warlords and tribes.
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Honestly, I don't think America will ever totally pull out of Afghanistan. Afghanistan doesn't have a government that can controls its country. It'll always be a terrorists safe haven.

It's better to have a group of troops ready to go on a seconds notice to respond rather than take days to arrange something. If you keep a sizable and credible force there, the terrorist groups won't be able to move back in.
 
Thethe, a question for you, sir. You've been the No. 1 person here telling us if we don't destroy all of these radical Islamic terrorists, our society as we know it is going to disappear. While I agree we have been fledgling in Afghanistan for a long time and this "new" strategy is not much one at all, how do you propose to do this? It ain't gonna work just building a giant wall and keeping everyone darker than tan out and further isolating ourselves.
 
bravesnumberone said:
Thethe, a question for you, sir. You've been the No. 1 person here telling us if we don't destroy all of these radical Islamic terrorists, our society as we know it is going to disappear. While I agree we have been fledgling in Afghanistan for a long time and this "new" strategy is not much one at all, how do you propose to do this? It ain't gonna work just building a giant wall and keeping everyone darker than tan out and further isolating ourselves.
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We can't win fighting this war alone.

I'm fine with withdrawing and allowing ISIS to form a new caliphate while encroaching on Russia/Chinas territory. Once we get their buy-in to this fight then we can do what is necessary to win.

We need to prevent immigration from these nations to us. Bottom line no excuses. If anyone can look at whats happened to Europe and not think that is the right approach then I feel sorry for how manipulated you have been by the leftist culture.
 
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thethe said:
As if checking ID is a voter suppression.

If there is no reason to worry then states should be cooperating. There are estimates of illegals in the country in the neighborhood of 11M. Those who are into more extremes think it could be more than 20M. Nobody really knows because big business LOVES their cheap labor and buy off politicians to keep their mouths shut.
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When did I say that checking IDs is voter suppression, making it as difficult as possible to get one is though and the Repubs are definitely guilty of that. Now how about a real answer to my question. Where's the evidence of MILLIONS of illegal votes cast?
 
i wonder how much fox news would be bitching if Obama spent nearly as much on travel as trump has so far. trump will eclipse Obama's 8-year total in 1. We also know how trump feels about a black person golfing vs himself.
 
Oklahomahawk said:
When did I say that checking IDs is voter suppression, making it as difficult as possible to get one is though and the Repubs are definitely guilty of that. Now how about a real answer to my question. Where's the evidence of MILLIONS of illegal votes cast?
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there is absolutely no evidence. literally nothing. it was made up to make little donald feel better about losing the popular vote.
 
Krgrecw said:
Actually the whole world has complained about Obama pulling out of Iraq. Isis mean anything to you?
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Since when do you care what "the whole world" thinks? When they criticize Trump you seem to have the f-them mentality. Now it questions Obama's decision to pull out and you care about their opinion now?
 
https://www.wsj.com/articles/emmanu...e-labor-rules-1503394205?mg=prod/accounts-wsj

Less than four months after handing him the presidency in a landslide election win, voters are souring on a leader many hailed as a reformer who would help address Europe’s economic dilemmas and break down traditional ideological divides.

Unpopular budget cuts, accusations of an authoritarian approach and weeks of critical news coverage have sent Mr. Macron’s approval ratings in a downward spiral. The latest poll, published in mid-August by public opinion firm Harris Interactive, found that 37% of voters approve of him, down from 51% in July and 59% in June.
 
this

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/21/obama-us-troops-withdrawal-iraq

http://www.npr.org/2015/12/19/45985...draw-from-iraq-too-soon-allowing-isis-to-grow
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what gets lost is that in all of the reporting from 2011 there is no mention of ISIS or corresponding factions.
No mention of where all of those dismissed military personal were or what they did with their weapons.
Iran was the threat.
Iran as in the state of Iran.

I find the Monday morning QBing disingenuous. If we want to go back to lay blame for the birth of ISIS I think we'd be better served by taking Spring 2003 as the lesson.
1954 meddling in Iran
Post WWI and the partition of the Middle East for oil

Shock and Awe and all that.

Personally had I been Obama or Trump I'd have pulled out of Afghanistan day one

The question is, after both ran and to some degree won on doing just that, what changed both of their minds?
 
Forever Fredi said:
Since when do you care what "the whole world" thinks? When they criticize Trump you seem to have the f-them mentality. Now it questions Obama's decision to pull out and you care about their opinion now?
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Two separate things. The majority of those leaders are letting Europe go to ****. They're open borders are ruining thier countries and they're to stupid to admit it. You can't take those leaders seriously. They go against what I believe in politically.

Second, most of those same countries are dealing with ISIS and thier terrorist attacks within thier borders. Isis came from Iraq and they took safe refuge after O pulled out. Blaming O for that isn't wrong and it isn't a lie. Don't know why one could ever get upset if Blame is properly placed.
 
why did Obama pull out ?

Funny, not ha ha funny but, funny.
The same Sec of State that warned Bush 43 of going into IRaq in the first place was the same Sec o State that advised HRC to use private email server
 
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