Yeah, Puerto Rico. We know.
The Trump Presidency
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Yeah, Puerto Rico. We know.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
I'm eagerly anticipating your postfascist manifesto, Hawk, so I can see how you acknowledge your obvious understanding of structural problems of race in America ("instances of social injustice ... [that] critically threaten our national ethos") with an explaination of why the subject of those injustices should feel compelled to participate in "entirely innocuous celebrations of community and country." I really want you to square that circle for me, because I think it would be fascinating reading.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
The massive outbreak of flag-****ing post 9/11 would seem to me to have led to a number of people being hurt.
Which is why, I guess, I'm careful about giving a blanket exclusion for that type of thing being necessarily benign.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
Plenty of folks have said that the US flag symbolizes, for them, not only or not even "community and country", but also/mostly/entirely a culture of domestic and/or international oppression. You're either willfully erasing their feelings in favor of your (self-admittedly sketchy) universalist metaphysics of the state; or else you're being disingenuous to serve some ouroborous flag-waving critique of dissent.
I've never said that we should 'compel' these individuals to participate.
Anyways. Fascinating? I'm flattered - although my squaring here is best expressed idiomatically; don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Certain subsets of the system might be broken, but that doesn't mean that the model itself is. In fact, I'd say that we're pretty far from irreparable on any front.
I supported violent protest in Charlotte, St. Louis, Baltimore, and elsewhere, because those demonstrations were in acute response to palpable instances of injustice (or, at least, in the presence of an overwhelming sense of malpratice). I might not have agreed with all of the methods the protesters employed (attacking innocent citizens, looting), and I might not have agreed with the Presidential response to those specific tactics, but I understood exactly why those communities felt that their voices were not being heard and why they felt the need to respond aggressively and en masse.
These antics? Not so much.
"A few other entertainers began to pick up on that too and they hollar'd. But I guess I was the loud the biggest mouth in town.""
Man I would have loved to have seen what the diehards would say about Sinatra then if that happened today. NVM I already know.
I would suggest those (unspecific) events probably had more to do with nature of 9/11 and less to do with blindly dying on the flag (or ****ing, as it were).
I'm not erasing their feelings, I'm just categorizing them somewhere between sorta unreasonable and entirely misplaced.
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
Because it was legitimate back then.
What kind of injustice, outside of prison sentences, are we having? We can even be president today? Police brutality is toward all races, blacks don't have a commodity on it. Is it Hispanics that breaks the laws coming here? It would be the same in Europe if they tried it over there. I am trying to find out what the kneeling down is all about. If you don't like how the company is treating you, after all you are making more money than I would make it in a lifetime, go to another country or better yet, take your riches and give it to the community to those you think are being slighted.
And because a lot of you are like up in arms about it, I laugh. They make millions and try to make a point but you ask them for some money to help, they would leave you a cold tip, especially blacks.
My past and family past went through the riggers of what life is about and we won't celebrating this kneeling down because it is frankly stupid. You make what you want about life yourself, no one is holding you down except yourself. you break the rules, there is a chance you might get a beat down but who made that decision to break the rules....you did. Why should I get upset when you do something stupid and show that kneeling down it is okay for you to be a clown.
This victimism from the Left is getting way out of control. I mean, they bitch about anything and everything and more so as sore losers. Show respect for the flag or get the f ck out of the country if you don't like what is going on....it is that simple, spoiled rich ass bastards.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
And they're categorically different from the Charlotte/Baltimore/StL protests that you say you supported how, exactly.
Who/what was/were the target(s) of the protests in Charlotte?
Who/what are the target(s) in this instance of ... erm ... civil disobedience?
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
But, er, are you denying that there was--regardless of perceived correlation--a massive outbreak of flag-****ing that was roughly contemporaneous with, say, the Iraq war? And your contention would be that there was no connection at all between that and American foreign policy?
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Uh, racial inequality, particularly as expressed in law enforcement and the judicial system. And, uh, racial inequality, particularly as expressed in law enforcement and the judicial system?
bravesnumberone
Well-known member
My point was thethe said they should be focusing on those issues other than activism. A lot of the same people who are bitching about the flag thing are the same who say the players made the choice themselves as far as the brain damage thing goes. And those New England fans can boo til the cows come home but they stayed and cheered for their team once the game kicked off. And they'll celebrate those same guys if they win another Super Bowl.
Yes, I think the ratings are declining. I think it's partly the brain damage and political thing, but I'm sure it's also the younger generations not having cable, more and more people flocking to soccer, etc.
Well ... I guess in order to properly answer this question I need to know exactly what you mean by flag-****ing. Because if you mean jingoistic flag-****ing, then yes, that existed, perhaps dominated the flag-****ing that was going on (but there was also another breed of ****ty Detroit-made car loving, Lee Greenwood crooning, all-American flag-****ing that existed simultaneous to that practiced by the Jingos.)
I understand you want to play cause and effect with the Iraq War and the Bush doctrine and unchained patriotism, and I agree that there's a thoughtful debate to be had in this realm, but how it relates to anything that I've said about the topic at hand is tenuous, at best.
So there wasn't any sort of, I don't know . . . incident in Charlotte that sparked that protesting?
Just spontaneous combustion?