In reality those two have much in common.
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In reality those two have much in common.
57Brave
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But here's the thing, as bad as Arpaio's history of detaining people for their skin color is, (and it's definitely terrible!), it's only the tip of the monstrous iceberg with him.
Joe Arpaio's jails were so brutal that more people hanged themselves there than at jails pretty much anywhere else, and that's just considering the deaths that were ruled suicides. In a Phoneix New Times report, nearly half of all deaths in Arpaio's jails were simply not explained.
The staff in Arpaio's jails would often not be willing to allow inmates proper medical attention, and this includes pregnant women. One of whom lost her baby due to the negligence of the jail staff and then had a guard protest when the hospital let her see her dead child before the funeral.
Arpaio reportedly once framed an innocent person for an assassination plot against him that Arpaio's team had invented for publicity. Does that seem crazy to you? Well it happened:
Entrapment defenses rarely succeed because they are exceedingly difficult to prove. James Saville's attorney, Ulises Ferragut, had to prove that the idea of killing the sheriff had started with law enforcement, that deputies or their agents urged Saville to commit the crime and that Saville was not predisposed to do it.
Ferragut proved all three elements, and James Saville walked out of Arpaio's jail a free man. After the trial, jurors told Ferragut they were convinced that Saville had been a pawn in an elaborate media ploy.
Arpaio's SWAT team once conducted a raid on a house expecting to find a weapons cache, only to have gotten the wrong house. They burned the house down in the process and forced the family's dog, which was trying to escape, back into the house to be burned alive. Again, this might seem over the top, and yet:
In less than 30 minutes, Arpaio's special forces unleashed an unprecedented wave of violence on this quiet community. Consider this:
Just after the tear gas canisters were shot, a fire erupted and destroyed a $250,000 home plus all the contents inside. (The home's occupants believe the tear gas canisters caused the fire. Phoenix fire officials say the blaze was probably started by a lighted candle that was knocked onto a bed during the confusion.) ...
And in the ultimate display of cruelty, a SWAT team member drove a dog trying to flee the home back into the inferno, where it met an agonizing death.
Deputies then reportedly laughed as the dog's owners came unglued as it perished in the blaze.
Burning down someone's house and killing their dog would be inappropriate if they were at Al Capone's place, but again, THEY WERE AT THE WRONG HOUSE.
And then there was the incident with the cameras. You see Arpaio placed webcams in a woman's prison that could be viewed online. One of the cameras depicted inmates using the toilet. Here's the defense that Arpaio's attorney offered:
Jack MacIntyre, an attorney for the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office, told the Arizona Republic that a short partition blocked the camera's view of the toilet itself. No juveniles would have been displayed unless they "look older and lie to us."
And despite all of the above, there is still far more! Arpaio's department settled millions and millions of dollars in lawsuits because of inmates being beaten to death while guards stood by and watched. Arpaio has used prisoners for publicity stunts, making them march outside. Arpaio has called his jail "a concentration camp." And yet there's still far too many more awful things to list, not the least of which is the constant unlawful detaining of people because they have brown skin. This is a terrible monster who was only going to face up to six months in jail, and Donald Trump said, "Not on my watch."
I don't know how you can read about the decades of terror that Arpaio unleashed and think "he kept Arizona safe!" (Oh wait, yes I do.) You can read all of the Phoenix New Times' coverage of Arpaio here. It's a horrific collection of stories but worth reading
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and this has what to do with immigration policy ?
and this:
The Eighth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution prohibits the federal government from imposing cruel and unusual punishment for federal crimes. The amendment states, "Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishment inflicted."
Joe Arpaio's jails were so brutal that more people hanged themselves there than at jails pretty much anywhere else, and that's just considering the deaths that were ruled suicides. In a Phoneix New Times report, nearly half of all deaths in Arpaio's jails were simply not explained.
The staff in Arpaio's jails would often not be willing to allow inmates proper medical attention, and this includes pregnant women. One of whom lost her baby due to the negligence of the jail staff and then had a guard protest when the hospital let her see her dead child before the funeral.
Arpaio reportedly once framed an innocent person for an assassination plot against him that Arpaio's team had invented for publicity. Does that seem crazy to you? Well it happened:
Entrapment defenses rarely succeed because they are exceedingly difficult to prove. James Saville's attorney, Ulises Ferragut, had to prove that the idea of killing the sheriff had started with law enforcement, that deputies or their agents urged Saville to commit the crime and that Saville was not predisposed to do it.
Ferragut proved all three elements, and James Saville walked out of Arpaio's jail a free man. After the trial, jurors told Ferragut they were convinced that Saville had been a pawn in an elaborate media ploy.
Arpaio's SWAT team once conducted a raid on a house expecting to find a weapons cache, only to have gotten the wrong house. They burned the house down in the process and forced the family's dog, which was trying to escape, back into the house to be burned alive. Again, this might seem over the top, and yet:
In less than 30 minutes, Arpaio's special forces unleashed an unprecedented wave of violence on this quiet community. Consider this:
Just after the tear gas canisters were shot, a fire erupted and destroyed a $250,000 home plus all the contents inside. (The home's occupants believe the tear gas canisters caused the fire. Phoenix fire officials say the blaze was probably started by a lighted candle that was knocked onto a bed during the confusion.) ...
And in the ultimate display of cruelty, a SWAT team member drove a dog trying to flee the home back into the inferno, where it met an agonizing death.
Deputies then reportedly laughed as the dog's owners came unglued as it perished in the blaze.
Burning down someone's house and killing their dog would be inappropriate if they were at Al Capone's place, but again, THEY WERE AT THE WRONG HOUSE.
And then there was the incident with the cameras. You see Arpaio placed webcams in a woman's prison that could be viewed online. One of the cameras depicted inmates using the toilet. Here's the defense that Arpaio's attorney offered:
Jack MacIntyre, an attorney for the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office, told the Arizona Republic that a short partition blocked the camera's view of the toilet itself. No juveniles would have been displayed unless they "look older and lie to us."
And despite all of the above, there is still far more! Arpaio's department settled millions and millions of dollars in lawsuits because of inmates being beaten to death while guards stood by and watched. Arpaio has used prisoners for publicity stunts, making them march outside. Arpaio has called his jail "a concentration camp." And yet there's still far too many more awful things to list, not the least of which is the constant unlawful detaining of people because they have brown skin. This is a terrible monster who was only going to face up to six months in jail, and Donald Trump said, "Not on my watch."
I don't know how you can read about the decades of terror that Arpaio unleashed and think "he kept Arizona safe!" (Oh wait, yes I do.) You can read all of the Phoenix New Times' coverage of Arpaio here. It's a horrific collection of stories but worth reading
..................
and this has what to do with immigration policy ?
and this:
The Eighth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution prohibits the federal government from imposing cruel and unusual punishment for federal crimes. The amendment states, "Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishment inflicted."
57Brave
Well-known member
Yet it is plain that Arpaio was not convicted for doing his job. He was convicted for willfully disobeying the law after a court ordered him to stop singling out drivers based on ethnicity and detaining them without charges. Arpaio, who first took office in 1993, rose to national prominence for his crackdown on illegal immigration, earning the nickname "America's toughest sheriff" along the way.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/24/politics/why-joe-arpaio-was-found-guilty/index.html
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an honorable man that made "horrible decisions"
not sure what constitutes "horrible" under your bed
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/24/politics/why-joe-arpaio-was-found-guilty/index.html
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an honorable man that made "horrible decisions"
not sure what constitutes "horrible" under your bed
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
Somehow this part of his past never gets reported on. Most media outlets focused on his aggressive tactics aimed at illegal immigration and ignored this. I had no problem with him using common sense in the border war (if you are looking for illegal immigrants in Arizona, chances are good that they will appear to be of Hispanic descent), but the guy was the worst kind of power tripping monster in other ways.
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/th...y-has-the-dow-flirting-with-230000-2017-10-05
This time the most well known and oldest U.S. equity benchmark is set to hit 23,000 for the first time ever, notching its fourth straight 1,000 point climb over the past 12 months. That would be the largest number of such 1,000 point moves within a calendar year in the benchmark’s 120+-year history, according to WSJ Market Data Group.
The Dow DJIA, +0.19% remains about 100 points away from the next milestone, and if it manages to clear it within the next 14 trading sessions, the blue-chip average would notch its third fastest climb to 1,000-point milestone since mid July (see table below).
Dow milestones 1st close above that level Dow final close No. of trading days to milestone (ranking)
23,000 ? N/A ?
22,000 Aug. 2, 2017 22,016.24 107
21,000 March 1, 2017 21,115.55 24 (1)
20,000 Jan. 25, 2017 20,068.51 42 (2)
19,000 Nov. 22, 2016 19,023.87 483
18,000 Dec. 23, 2014 18,024.17 120
17,000 July 3, 2014 17,068.26 153
16,000 Nov. 21, 2013 16,009.99 139
15,000 May 7, 2013 15,056.20 1,460
14,000 July 19, 2007 14,000.41 59 (3)
13,000 March 25, 2007 13,089.89 127
12,000 Oct. 19, 2006 12,011.73 1,879
11,000 May 3, 1999 11,014.69 24 (1)
10,000 March 29, 1999 10,006.78 246
So, why is the market headed higher?
Some of the recent gain has been attributed to optimism around President Donald Trump’s tax plan. That enthusiasm centers on the belief that he will implement Wall Street-boosting measures, like deregulation and tax cuts, that will pave the way for a further clamber higher for risk assets.
Since the 2016 election, won in shocking fashion by Trump over Democratic rival Hillary Clinton, the Dow has climbed 28%, the S&P 500 index SPX, +0.10% has advanced almost 20%, the Nasdaq Composite Index COMP, +0.23% has returned about 27.6%, and a popular index of small companies, the Russell 2000 index RUT, +0.09% has jumped 26%. That’s as of early Tuesday trade.
Slightly rosier economic indicators of late, domestically and abroad, and upbeat expectations for corporate results, even if the bar tends to be lowered, also have helped buoy equity indexes.
It is no wonder why Wall Street investors are pointing at signs of a so-called meltup in stocks, and heralding the uncanny rise of assets in every sector, region and class.
This time the most well known and oldest U.S. equity benchmark is set to hit 23,000 for the first time ever, notching its fourth straight 1,000 point climb over the past 12 months. That would be the largest number of such 1,000 point moves within a calendar year in the benchmark’s 120+-year history, according to WSJ Market Data Group.
The Dow DJIA, +0.19% remains about 100 points away from the next milestone, and if it manages to clear it within the next 14 trading sessions, the blue-chip average would notch its third fastest climb to 1,000-point milestone since mid July (see table below).
Dow milestones 1st close above that level Dow final close No. of trading days to milestone (ranking)
23,000 ? N/A ?
22,000 Aug. 2, 2017 22,016.24 107
21,000 March 1, 2017 21,115.55 24 (1)
20,000 Jan. 25, 2017 20,068.51 42 (2)
19,000 Nov. 22, 2016 19,023.87 483
18,000 Dec. 23, 2014 18,024.17 120
17,000 July 3, 2014 17,068.26 153
16,000 Nov. 21, 2013 16,009.99 139
15,000 May 7, 2013 15,056.20 1,460
14,000 July 19, 2007 14,000.41 59 (3)
13,000 March 25, 2007 13,089.89 127
12,000 Oct. 19, 2006 12,011.73 1,879
11,000 May 3, 1999 11,014.69 24 (1)
10,000 March 29, 1999 10,006.78 246
So, why is the market headed higher?
Some of the recent gain has been attributed to optimism around President Donald Trump’s tax plan. That enthusiasm centers on the belief that he will implement Wall Street-boosting measures, like deregulation and tax cuts, that will pave the way for a further clamber higher for risk assets.
Since the 2016 election, won in shocking fashion by Trump over Democratic rival Hillary Clinton, the Dow has climbed 28%, the S&P 500 index SPX, +0.10% has advanced almost 20%, the Nasdaq Composite Index COMP, +0.23% has returned about 27.6%, and a popular index of small companies, the Russell 2000 index RUT, +0.09% has jumped 26%. That’s as of early Tuesday trade.
Slightly rosier economic indicators of late, domestically and abroad, and upbeat expectations for corporate results, even if the bar tends to be lowered, also have helped buoy equity indexes.
It is no wonder why Wall Street investors are pointing at signs of a so-called meltup in stocks, and heralding the uncanny rise of assets in every sector, region and class.
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
Lets posit that your goal is to identify neo nazis as efficiently as possible. You're in a room with 50 whites, 50 blacks, and 50 Tibetans.
Where are you looking first?
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
I'm not saying it's okay to stop them because they are Hispanic, I am saying it is okay to check on the citizenship of anyone you stop, and that it probably makes more sense to do that with someone of the same ethnicity as most illegal immigrants in the area. I also think it would be criminally neglectful of a law enforcement officer or agency to fail to detain someone they know to be in the country illegally.
So to summarize:
Traffic stop because a guy is brown and check status = BAD.
Traffic stop a brown guy because he is speeding, and then check status = GOOD.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Jaw, I assume you're a white dude. You're telling me that if you get detained by the cops on the suspicion that you're a Nazi, you're ok with that?
That kind of "common sense" leads to Driving While Brown stops, unconstitutional stop-and-frisk policing, and all manner of things that people who claim to revere the Constitution should hate.
That kind of "common sense" leads to Driving While Brown stops, unconstitutional stop-and-frisk policing, and all manner of things that people who claim to revere the Constitution should hate.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Ok, so then we get on the whole merry-go-round of municipal law enforcement trying to accommodate federal immigration law. This is part of the whole bull**** "sanctuary city" debate. The vast majority of local police officials do not want to be responsible for doing that…sure, there are outliers like Arpaio, but part of his story is that he sacrificed all kinds of critical police functions in order to try to be the immigration cops.
http://www.newsweek.com/james-comey-fbi-clinton-emails-drafted-statement-686140
Nothing to see here.
Nothing to see here.