The Trump Presidency

We Are The Wall

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mqt said:
I'm already bored of discussing who deserves the blame or what each side has said in the past regarding the topic. In my opinion we can all play politics forever to turn the shutdown into points against the other side, or we can look at the policy behind the positions that got us here. From my perspective, the Right pushed back action on CHIP way too far during the debate over taxes, then tried to take a hard line on DACA to get concessions on border control. With that framing my opinion, I prefer the stance taken by Democrats, and support what they have done. For a person who prioritized Tax Reform and Border Security, I can see where they would disagree with me. But looking at what was said 4 years ago by Trump and Schumer is pointless.
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I don’t entirely agree with all parts of what you say here, but I definitely align with the underlying sentiment.
 
Julio3000 said:
I confess I don't get this. You've argued that hardliners deserve deference, or whatever, specifically because Trump won the election.

The other candidate actually got more votes, but somehow that's notan indicator that more voters supported her CIR/DACA stance.

It's a tad protean, spades being spades on policy and whatnot.
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You keep repeating this position, but the only person I see framing the debate about who has claim to popular authority on the matter is you.
 
Hawk said:
You keep repeating this position, but the only person I see framing the debate about who has claim to popular authority on the matter is you.
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crOLpM72


not so much.

We need to rethink the 50% + 1 brand of governance
or in this case, 46.1 plus ---- 5 targeted districts
 
57Brave said:
crOLpM72


not so much.

We need to rethink the 50% + 1 brand of governance
or in this case, 46.1 plus ---- 5 targeted districts
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How about just coming up with a nice piece of legislation that contents all parties?

But you wanna gauge the public tide by ... crowd size? And get rid of that little number we call the democratic process?

Sheeesh.
 
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" the only person I see framing the debate about who has claim to popular authority on the matter is you. "
 
Hawk said:
How about just coming up with a nice piece of legislation that contents all parties?

But you wanna gauge the public tide by ... crowd size? And get rid of that little number we call the democratic process?

Sheeesh.
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we have been living in a Republican Civil War since the mid 1990's.
Craft legislation -- you make me laugh
 
of course we have.

What we are seeing right now is the product of Republicans fighting / disagreeing with Republicans
What we have seen for the most part since Newt's days as Speaker is Republicans fighting / disagreeing with Republicans.

C'mon over to the Women's March
 
Brian Schatz
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2h2 hours ago

As we speak Democrats are on the Senate floor making unanimous consent requests to reopen government.

They are also trying to fund CHIP and pay our troops. All are being blocked by the Majority Leader.

And across America hundreds of thousands of citizens are marching. More later.
 
" the only person I see framing the debate about who has claim to popular authority on the matter is you. "

Andrea Hagelgans
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3h3 hours ago

Official crowd size for today’s NYC Women’s March: 120,000+.
 
The Hill
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24m24 minutes ago

Ex-RNC chair: "This shutdown rests at the feet of the GOP"
 
57Brave said:
The Hill
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24m24 minutes ago

Ex-RNC chair: "This shutdown rests at the feet of the GOP"
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The shutdown is a pretty smart, though very cynical, play by the GOP. They need something to attack the Dems with for the 2018 elections. If they and Fox News can frame the shutdown as all the Dems' fault, they can make people forget about Trump.
 
Runnin said:
The shutdown is a pretty smart, though very cynical, play by the GOP. They need something to attack the Dems with for the 2018 elections. If they and Fox News can frame the shutdown as all the Dems' fault, they can make people forget about Trump.
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There are thousands of women and cucked dudes protesting with ridiculous pink pussy hats on their head for really no good reason other than they are triggered by Trump. You really think the GOP think folks are going to forget about Trump? I really don't see how the gov shutdown helps pubs.
 
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weso1 said:
There are thousands of women and cucked dudes protesting with ridiculous pink pussy hats on their head for really no good reason other than they are triggered by Trump. You really think the GOP think folks are going to forget about Trump? I really don't see how the gov shutdown helps pubs.
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cucked ?

Hmm
 
weso1 said:
There are thousands of women and cucked dudes protesting with ridiculous pink pussy hats on their head for really no good reason other than they are triggered by Trump. You really think the GOP think folks are going to forget about Trump? I really don't see how the gov shutdown helps pubs.
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I don't think they will either, but it's a calculated risk. The Dems have more to lose.
 
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