Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Repeating it doesn't make it true. Show me something.
The Trump Presidency
- Thread starter The Tariff King
- Start date
Repeating it doesn't make it true. Show me something.
Regulation is by definition big government. That is leftist at its very heart. Obama resided over the largest regulations and that I not just dodd frank which went too far
sturg33
I
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Not much about Obama's spending, tax, or regulatory policy that is out of the American mainstream. Certainly not "leftist policy." Unless you'd care to show your work.
How about that "Largest tax increase ever"? Care to show your work there?
Lazy and sloppy, IMO.
sturg33
I
Lol... It's a massive tax increase. As shown above, the biggest such increase in at least 50 years. If you want to say that's not inflation adjusted, that's fine and fair. But to call it lazy or sloppy or misleading is garbage.
You don't win the spirit of a debate based on a technicality.
Obama saw over more regulation in US history. He passed one of - if not the largest tax hike in US history. He spent more money than the other 43 President combined.
About time you start showing some work, no?
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
For a guy who's all about FACTS and DATA, making your case based on the spirit of the argument is pretty weak sauce.
So, is a tax increase an inherently "leftist" policy? So any president who signed a major tax increase is a leftist?
We still haven't come up with any leftist policy.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
So, not using constant dollars or adjusted for population, it's the largest tax increase in 50 years.
That's quite a ways from what you said, and irrelevant to the larger point.
YOU are the one who is always clattering on about how this is all just math and liberals are only capable of making emotional arguments, yet you regularly post stuff which is sloppy, misleading, or just plain made up. When you're called on it, the answer is always some flavor of "oh, well my argument was correct..."
sturg33
I
It was the largest tax increase in raw dollars in history. You disagree? If you wanna say we need to adjust for inflation that is fine, but it.doesnt support the argument that Obama didnt massively raise taxes.
And I love that you wanna focus on your technicality argument instead of your dumbass opinion that Obama didn't espouse leftist economics policies.
Let us never forget
https://youtu.be/gJimLZRC9N8
And I love that you wanna focus on your technicality argument instead of your dumbass opinion that Obama didn't espouse leftist economics policies.
Let us never forget
https://youtu.be/gJimLZRC9N8
sturg33
I
Yes, a tax increase is a leftist policy.
He also let the payroll tax decrease expire, effectively raising taxes on every working American.
Lol at at your Obama defense. Ive literally posted three huge economic policies Obama supported or signed and you just brush them off.
Sure, buddy.
I won't even bother with his support of government bailouts and stimulus. You're no longer capable of being intellectually honest.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.wa...-regulations-in-2016-to-drain-economy-by-2-t/
The Obama administration issued a record number of new regulations on its way out the door in 2016, leaving an administrative state that saps the economy of nearly $2 trillion a year, according to a new report being released Wednesday.
-----------
I'm floored that Julio is trying to argue that increased government isn't inherently leftist. The left has completely collapsed and it's amazing.
The Obama administration issued a record number of new regulations on its way out the door in 2016, leaving an administrative state that saps the economy of nearly $2 trillion a year, according to a new report being released Wednesday.
-----------
I'm floored that Julio is trying to argue that increased government isn't inherently leftist. The left has completely collapsed and it's amazing.
Meanwhile, Trump has taken over the GOP and removed it from the grips of the establishment. Independents and the next generation of youth will flock to the GOP
https://www.axios.com/trumps-500-da...utm_medium=twsocialshare&utm_campaign=organic
https://www.axios.com/trumps-500-da...utm_medium=twsocialshare&utm_campaign=organic
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/659254002?__twitter_impression=true
I understand the argument against tariffs because of the efficiency of globalized markets. However, it removes the idea of actual work increasing within our birders for families that need it. That additional invested in our country by American families is what bridges the gap and makes smart tariffs desirable as a whole. Goreng countries will talk a big game at first but will not want to discourage investment in their country from American dollars.
I understand the argument against tariffs because of the efficiency of globalized markets. However, it removes the idea of actual work increasing within our birders for families that need it. That additional invested in our country by American families is what bridges the gap and makes smart tariffs desirable as a whole. Goreng countries will talk a big game at first but will not want to discourage investment in their country from American dollars.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
"Left of me" does not equal "leftist."
It's continually amusing, though a little troubling, that you spell such big and loud opinions, yet seem to know so little about so much.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
The bailouts and stimulus were the same thing that any centrist technocrat would do. GTFO.
I'm not defending anything, I'm telling you your idea of ideology is ridiculously skewed and right goofy.
So, by your logic, any president who raises taxes or increases spending is an economic leftist? Yes?
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
And, btw, I addressed those policies.
Public subsidies for private insurance may be left of YOU, but it's not leftist. It's an idea that was born a conservative think tanks, and was put into place in Massachusetts by noted leftist Mitt Romney.
You may hate higher taxes, but there's nothing inherently "leftist" about a tax increase. Communities, states... every level of government occasionally raises taxes, in order to raise revenue.
Spending. Please. Talk to the Republican Congress his written the budget for the last decade and a half.
Regulations? Ok. You're certainly getting warmer. There is a massive gulf between what Obama did, and what the left would desire.
Public subsidies for private insurance may be left of YOU, but it's not leftist. It's an idea that was born a conservative think tanks, and was put into place in Massachusetts by noted leftist Mitt Romney.
You may hate higher taxes, but there's nothing inherently "leftist" about a tax increase. Communities, states... every level of government occasionally raises taxes, in order to raise revenue.
Spending. Please. Talk to the Republican Congress his written the budget for the last decade and a half.
Regulations? Ok. You're certainly getting warmer. There is a massive gulf between what Obama did, and what the left would desire.