The Trump Presidency

thethe said:
Leaving your completely baseless insinuation aside you actually believe that this was normalized in the trump administration? What were prior administrations doing with the hundreds of billions of dollars thrown their way by all sorts of characters?
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Don’t deflect. Focus on the here and now. We’re addressing what is actually happening, not what may or may not have happened to anyone else. Focus. I know you have it in you.
 
Watching Republicans cry about how this is politicization of the DoJ.... I wish I could just hook this up to my veins..... its like watching a serial rapist complain about being raped in prison.
 
nsacpi said:
This Times article by the way demonstrates why I think the press has done a very poor job of covering the insanity of the past four years. It falls into the pattern of normalizing a president who routinely used his lawyers to help him commit crimes. It normalizes his personal lawyer working with a hostile intelligence service (Russia) and with corrupt oligarchs in attempting to conduct a disinformation campaign to influence the 2020 campaign. With the American public being the target of this disinformation campaign. There is no mention of any of these things in the Times article when in fact they are a very important part of the context for what is happening.

So kudos to the Times for breaking the story and F for failing to provide any sort of context to what was happening.
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You have a short memory
 
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The FBI warned Rudolph W. Giuliani in late 2019 that he was the target of a Russian influence operation aimed at circulating falsehoods intended to damage President Biden politically ahead of last year’s election, according to people familiar with the matter.

The warning was part of an extensive effort by the bureau to alert members of Congress and at least one conservative media outlet, One America News, that they faced a risk of being used to further Russia’s attempt to influence the election’s outcome, said several current and former U.S. officials. All spoke on the condition of anonymity because the matter remains highly sensitive.

Despite the alert, Giuliani went forward in December 2019 with a planned trip to Kyiv, Ukraine’s capital, where he met with a Ukrainian lawmaker who the U.S. government later labeled “an active Russian agent” and sanctioned on grounds he was running an “influence campaign” against Biden. That operation, officials said, involved Ukrainian officials and political consultants who the U.S. intelligence community has since concluded were acting as Russian proxies not only to smear Biden and derail his candidacy but to curtail U.S. support for Ukraine.

The FBI last summer also gave what is known as a defensive briefing to Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), who ahead of the election used his perch as chairman of the Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee to investigate Biden’s dealings with Ukraine while he was vice president and his son, Hunter Biden, held a lucrative seat on the board of a Ukrainian energy company.

On his trip to Kyiv, Giuliani met with Andriy Derkach, a politician sanctioned by the United States in September and accused by the Treasury Department of having been an active Russian agent “for over a decade” and maintaining “close connections with Russian intelligence services.” Derkach, who attended a KGB academy in Moscow, has denied involvement with any foreign intelligence agency and any illegal activities.

Despite the FBI warning, Giuliani met with Derkach again in New York in February 2020 when he hosted Derkach on a podcast. In the podcast, Derkach aired false allegations that billions of dollars in U.S. aid to Ukraine were misused or went missing while Biden was handling the Obama administration’s Ukraine portfolio.
 
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another variant on the 2016 quid pro quo: dirt on the Bidens in exchange for reduced U.S. support for Ukraine
 
nsacpi said:
Rudy wanted one. But there was a question about whether someone could be preemptively pardoned for something they hadn't even been charged with.
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You can be pardoned for crimes you've not been charged with. Just not for crimes you've not committed yet.
 
nsacpi said:
another variant on the 2016 quid pro quo: dirt on the Bidens in exchange for reduced U.S. support for Ukraine
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My favorite part of the article was the FBI's warnings to Hillary, WaPo, NYT, CNN, etc about Christopher Steele using them in a disinformation campaign during the 2016 election and the Trump Presidency.

I also liked the part where they warned Twitter and nearly all of the US news media that they were being used in a disinformation campaign to discredit Hunter's laptop and influence the 2020 election in Biden's favor.

Those were the two parts that proved to me and everyone else outside the ACELA corridor that the FBI hasn't fallen victim to O'Sullivan's Law.
 
Dude

Christopher Steele vs KGB agents working for Putin is not the kind of analogy I would be pushing too hard. That's pretty weak whataboutism even by the dismal standards we have around here.
 
They were both foreign intelligence agents pushing disinformation to influence a US Presidential election.
 
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