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The Wall
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Please share the support for this statistic.
Is that supposed to mean something to me?
Freshmaker
Arbitration Eligible
Trump is a master of distraction. He's going hard for the wall to turn attention away from Mueller IMO. I don't have any emotional attachment to the issue - I'm fine if the wall gets built and fine if it doesn't. But he's turned the issue into a "crisis" because the investigation is winding down
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Somebody still likely continue to expend tax dollars on the service. I can't speak for everywhere else, but the primary airport in Minnesota is run by the Metropolitan Airports Commission and I wouldn't be surprised if that model isn't in place throughout the country. If not, my guess is the airlines would really jack up ticket prices to pay for the service.
Can't override a Trump veto if McConnell never sends him a bill to veto.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Found this interesting... not that it wasn't already obvious that Trump has caused all democrats (and many Rs) to completely abandon their principles
I have a different take on this. People can talk about border security in good faith.
But the wall is now a symbol. And symbols have a way of becoming sacred. It is sacred to Trump's base. And it has become sacred to a lot of people who stand in opposition to him. How did it happen? Well it has become part and parcel of a program to demonize an entire population with words likes rapists and murderers. Expressing a preference for more immigrants from Norway and fewer from ****hole countries is part of it too.
So now you have a large number of people dug in on both sides of this issue. McConnell told Trump that even if Schumer and Pelosi were interested in a deal to fund the wall that they would not be able to get the votes from their caucus. It would be political suicide for them. McConnell's right about that.
I'm convinced there are sensible steps to improve border security and our immigration system that can get bipartisan support. But somehow we have to find a way to make the discussion less theocratic.
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sturg33
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I don't disagree that you're right about this... but I disagree with changing your position because of a bad human who espouses the same one.
As is, I don't think the dems have argued in good faith... have they publicly supported ANY immigration initiative?
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Well...as I belatedly added to the post you quoted, I think there are sensible steps that can get bipartisan support. But the approach has to change. Maybe the Republicans can bypass the president. That seems to be the most promising route at this point.
The compromise that might be available is to re-open government and appoint a commission to come up with some proposals for improving border security and the immigration system. Get people talking to each other in a rational way.
I think the Congress was moving toward immigration reform until Cantor got primaried. Its been dead since. But there is still a reasonable compromise available if people negotiate in good faith.
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The Dems last yeae offered him a wall for DACA protections. He turned it down.
Ever since then, they've had Pence using the "waiting for the courts to rule on DACA" line because Trump was too dumb to turn it down.
As nsacpi said the wall has become a symbol of demagoguery. Not only that, it's only going to get torn down in 20 years.
It did nothing about the VISA lottery (what a dumb way to let people into your country) as well as Chain migration.
Having anything other than a merit based system is absurd. What other elite institution lets people inside without merit?
57Brave
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nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
well chain migration for many of us is family reunification...but there are other reforms that i think can be part of a bipartisan deal...for example, i think everyone pretty much agrees that you want to make it easier to have highly skilled workers come in...and a migrant farm labor program makes a lot of sense too...and a better tracking system to discourage people from overstaying their visas
Well, if 45 wasn't so busy trying to sell everyone on the wall, then we could have a rational discussion about the lottery and chain.
How can you blame the Dems for negotiating with a child. He wants a wall, they offered to give his wall in exchange for DACA. He said no.
Trump had majorities in both chambers for 2 years. He got the tax cut act passed no problem. He could have gotten the wall if he wanted. The way McConnell and Ryan bent over to him for almost 2 years. If the wall and border is a big national emergency he should have spent his political capital early on, on that instead of the tax act, aca repeal attempts, and issuing all of the executive orders just to spite Obama.
He offered MORE DACA then the Democrats proposed but wanted to take out Chain Migration and VISA Lottery. Who balked at that?
Family reunification is something I'm ok with. I'm sure it has affected yours as well as my own relatives.
Agree with all of your proposals but we can't just let anyone blindly in because they have US citizens in their family. It should ADD to their merit based system so they will get benefit from it but it should not be the only basis to let someone into the country.
I don't think you quite understand how chain migration works. They don't just let anyone blindly in.