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thethe said:
Through a Congressional vote but the Dems will never allow us to deport anyone back to central america. This is what is creating the crisis and getting them political points.
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Sorry, I was unclear. I mean, what changes to the rule would you propose?
 
thethe said:
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What the hell happened to the democratic party?
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Please tell me again how the democrats have not radicalized themselves in a short period of time.

But of course its what we have always known. Theyve lost touch with Americans so its about bringing more poor people in to vote for freebies.
 
Funny, because I hear this from the right every election. I almost want Trump to win just so he will be around for the crash.
 
thethe said:
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Please tell me again how the democrats have not radicalized themselves in a short period of time.

But of course its what we have always known. Theyve lost touch with Americans so its about bringing more poor people in to vote for freebies.
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This is a specious comparison. Obama was talking about the spike in unaccompanied minors in 2013-2014. I think there’s pretty broad agreement about that not being something to encourage.

The mainstream D approach to immigration during the Obama years was not something I really agreed with, but I understand the political calculus. They took a dual-track approach of trying to manage around the edges the humanitarian concerns and provide a modicum of fairness to Dreamers, et al, but also to take a hardline approach on deportations. This was done with an eye to building a bridge to Republicans on border security, so a comprehensive reform bill could get done. Now, is this criticizable from the left? Of course it is.

So, what happened? The comprehensive reform bill didn’t get done, because Freedom Caucus types didn’t want it done. So today’s status quo reflects that reality. It’s kinda like the shift to the left on health care in the D primary. Republicans are going to holler socialism no matter what, so you might as well stake out ground that’s popular with your primary voters. On immigration, Republicans aren’t going to do a deal with you, and they are going to say you favor open borders no matter what, so why not do what’s politically beneficial to you in this particular moment?

As for the last bit, why should it be an article of faith that crossing the border without approval should be a criminal offense? I’m not really sure what purpose that serves. Make it a civil offense, collect a fine. Give people who want to work the right to stay and work. Give people who aspire to citizenship, regardless of how they entered the country, a path to citizenship. Help stabilize the Central American countries to stem the humanitarian crises that are causing so many people to trek north. Don’t accept that you can either do nothing and expect things to improve, or unring a bell and fix the problem with walls and tough talk.
 
Julio3000 said:
This is a specious comparison. Obama was talking about the spike in unaccompanied minors in 2013-2014. I think there’s pretty broad agreement about that not being something to encourage.

The mainstream D approach to immigration during the Obama years was not something I really agreed with, but I understand the political calculus. They took a dual-track approach of trying to manage around the edges the humanitarian concerns and provide a modicum of fairness to Dreamers, et al, but also to take a hardline approach on deportations. This was done with an eye to building a bridge to Republicans on border security, so a comprehensive reform bill could get done. Now, is this criticizable from the left? Of course it is.

So, what happened? The comprehensive reform bill didn’t get done, because Freedom Caucus types didn’t want it done. So today’s status quo reflects that reality. It’s kinda like the shift to the left on health care in the D primary. Republicans are going to holler socialism no matter what, so you might as well stake out ground that’s popular with your primary voters. On immigration, Republicans aren’t going to do a deal with you, and they are going to say you favor open borders no matter what, so why not do what’s politically beneficial to you in this particular moment?

As for the last bit, why should it be an article of faith that crossing the border without approval should be a criminal offense? I’m not really sure what purpose that serves. Make it a civil offense, collect a fine. Give people who want to work the right to stay and work. Give people who aspire to citizenship, regardless of how they entered the country, a path to citizenship. Help stabilize the Central American countries to stem the humanitarian crises that are causing so many people to trek north. Don’t accept that you can either do nothing and expect things to improve, or unring a bell and fix the problem with walls and tough talk.
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And set a precedence to have hordes of illegals cross the border to cut all legal applicants. What is too muvh of number? Can we import 50m more? How about 100m?

I guess they are all future voters for the socialist agenda.
 
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/...on-immigration.html?__twitter_impression=true

Some revealing facts specifically increases in asylum claims from countries that have had decreases in crimes rates over the same period.

As we all know these are not asylum seekers but economic migrants. The left lies to the american people because they want voters.

America is waking up and the respinse will beore radical than it woulf have been if not for the lies.
 
Clayton Cubitt
‏Verified account @claytoncubitt
11m11 minutes ago

Imagine how toxic your soul has to be to get you to the point

where you show up in the desert heat to shout *in support* of

concentration camps and making immigrants drink out of toilets.

Make karma instant again.
 
thethe said:
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it's got to be a weird place to keep using "Obama was actually doing this first" as your excuse for doing something

seems to be a strange line to tow to tell me how awful Obama is at everything but trying to make me believe trump is great by just doing exactly what Obama did


unless you aren't being truthful
 
goldfly said:
it's got to be a weird place to keep using "Obama was actually doing this first" as your excuse for doing something

seems to be a strange line to tow to tell me how awful Obama is at everything but trying to make me believe trump is great by just doing exactly what Obama did


unless you aren't being truthful
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No its meant to show that yet again Trump has to cleanup a mess that Obama created.
 
doing a bang up job if that is the absurd route you are trying to argue lol
 
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Everybody knows whats happening. Left doesn't care because they are importing votes.
 
I am confused. Obama deported more illegal immigrants than anyone before him. 6 of his 8 years he deported more than Trump has so far in any year. Surely someone could point me in the direction of any Bill introduced by a Democrat that would open the borders in the 8 years Obama was President or the 2 years since Trump has pretended to be the President. Where is this effort for open borders? Anyone can make any dumbass claim. Republicans want to legalize gay pedophilia. Such a shame that Republicans and Trump want so badly to legalize pedophilia.
 
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/the-cruelty-is-the-point/572104/



Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
‏Verified account @AOC
1h1 hour ago

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Retweeted Adam Serwer

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The cruelty is the goal. It’s called “deterrence” - a policy stance that if our country inflicts enough pain on refugees, they will think twice before believing America is worth their dreams & aspirations.

Only policy change can end cruelty, not blank checks to the status quo.
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Note the date of the link
 
karl taro greenfeld
‏ @karltaro
6m6 minutes ago

thing is, you can go from like 1 to 10 in a matter of hours (Rwanda) or years (Germany). And even relatively benign states are always hovering somewhere around 1 to 3.





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