The War on Police Continues

weso1 said:
Not if you go by percentages. And especially not if you continue to dig into this incredibly shallow statistical argument you made by not considering multiple factors. I mean, how many truly innocent people are shot by cops every year? I bet the number is around ten.
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can you prove that all the cops are innocent and it wasn't just a person enforcing their 2nd amendment rights against tyranny?
 
Jaw said:
To be fair, you are making the choice to break the laws that our society have decided are appropriate. The police vowed to enforce the laws that our society have decided are appropriate. Don't act like the Gestapo is going to drag you from your house in the dark of night for unknown reasons. You know the possible consequences of your actions, you choose to continue those actions. Taking responsibility for your own actions is part of being an adult. Buck up.
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Ok, so i am a criminal, a bad guy, deserves to be locked up. If that is true, why should I support police officers? Less of them the safer I am.

History is going to be the judge of who the good guys and bad guys are. Prohibition is gaining momentum and we are going to win the war on drugs. They used to say "it can't happen here", in a few more generations they will be using the war on drugs as an example of how it did happen here. Legalization has been nothing but an overwhelming success everywhere it has been tried. We could have gotten there 10-20 years earlier if not for strong opposition by police unions. That's 500k people every year being arrested for pot possession. The victims of those arrests is a lot more than just those arrested. It's families torn apart. Kids growing up with no father. These people have to suffer. Why? Because legalization means less overtime for cops? No more big money federal grants to buy tanks? BECAUSE WE MIGHT NOT NEED AS MANY POLICE OFFICERS WITHOUT A WAR TO FIGHT? The police of today attesting people for weed are no better than the police who beat black people trying to get equal rights many years ago. They weren't the good guys then and they aren't the good guys now. Morality does not change based on what a beuracrat legislates.
 
I never made an argument for or against legalization. I said you shouldn't be surprised when law enforcement officers do the job of enforcing the law. And you certainly shouldn't blame them for the law. This nonsense anarchist talk about not enforcing "immoral" laws is so much hogwash. Lawmakers get paid to make the laws, police get paid to enforce them.

Don't shift the blame to the cops just because you can't win with the lawmakers.
 
Jaw said:
I never made an argument for or against legalization. I said you shouldn't be surprised when law enforcement officers do the job of enforcing the law. And you certainly shouldn't blame them for the law. This nonsense anarchist talk about not enforcing "immoral" laws is so much hogwash. Lawmakers get paid to make the laws, police get paid to enforce them.

Don't shift the blame to the cops just because you can't win with the lawmakers.
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that quote is from a founder of the USA
 
Jaw said:
I never made an argument for or against legalization. I said you shouldn't be surprised when law enforcement officers do the job of enforcing the law. And you certainly shouldn't blame them for the law. This nonsense anarchist talk about not enforcing "immoral" laws is so much hogwash. Lawmakers get paid to make the laws, police get paid to enforce them.

Don't shift the blame to the cops just because you can't win with the lawmakers.
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http://sobadsogood.com/2015/09/19/laughable-anti-marijuana-propaganda-from-1930s/

I might agree with you if we did not lead the world in incarceration. 25% of the world's prisoners with only 5% of the population. If that's the nation we want to be then we need to stop teaching all that freedom Bull**** in school. Martin Luther King Jr, law breaker, should have been in prison. George Washington, traitor to his government and mass murderer. If resisting a law born through government propoganda and racism that is used to mass.incarcerate non violent people makes me the bad guy in your eyes then so be it.
 
So you not being able to smoke up is equivalent to denying an entire race the right to vote, sit on a bus, or go to college?

I disagree.
 
Jaw said:
So you not being able to smoke up is equivalent to denying an entire race the right to vote, sit on a bus, or go to college?

I disagree.
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I don't understand how it's anyone's business to tell me what I can or can't do. How is that freedom?
 
Krgrecw said:
I agree but when one is ****ed up and goes out in public it is everyone's business.
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Maybe while driving, other than that how does it affect you? Pot impares you about as much as talking on the phone while driving does. I have gotten high enough that I shouldn't drive, but then I also couldn't get to my car even if I wanted to. It is umpteen million times safer than alcohol.
 
sturg33 said:
I don't understand how it's anyone's business to tell me what I can or can't do. How is that freedom?
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I have no problem with this view. I have a problem with the idea that cops are corrupt for enforcing the law. We have ways of changing laws here.
 
cajunrevenge said:
When you look at black unemployment don't forget to add all the prisoners. Throwing **** loads of black people in prison makes their unemployment stats lower, it's the Clintons strategy. They boast of low black unemployment but when you add all the black "super predators" they brought to "heel" by throwing them in prison they actually had sky high unemployment. Unless you consider slavery be a job.
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This is only the case if the ones you're throwing in prison are already unemployed at a higher rate than the rest of the population. Is that what you're saying?

Just two general thoughts after reading through this thread:

Jaws - spot on.

cajunrevenge - holy crap, man, it's honestly difficult for me to grasp someone actually sharing those thoughts out publicly in any forum. Your entire argument is basically, 'I'm a criminal, so of course I want cops dead.' If you have a real problem with the laws, your issue is with the ones who make the laws, not those who enforce them.
 
goldfly said:
you can just as easily say it's the other persons responsibility to not enforce unjust laws

and i will take it a step further:

"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so."
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We're arguing over drugs, though. Goodness. It's not as though we're talking about whether it should be a law that people speaking out against the government are imprisoned and tortured.

You can believe the war on drugs has been counterproductive and that it is a net negative on society to imprison so many drug offenders, but 'unjust'? Prohibition was dumb, but was it unjust? Are you suggesting that it is the obligation of citizens to buy, sell, and use drugs because the war on drugs is a bad idea?
 
What's your view on cops raiding medical dispensaries in states where it was voted legal? Or any dispensary that was opened legally according to state law and voted.on by the public?
 
weso1 said:
Not if you go by percentages. And especially not if you continue to dig into this incredibly shallow statistical argument you made by not considering multiple factors. I mean, how many truly innocent people are shot by cops every year? I bet the number is around ten.

I'm guessing you're one of those who loves the new wave feminist argument that women make 77 cents on the dollar compared to men.
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Uh, then shouldn't we use percentages on the number of cops who have killed an innocent person vs. people who have killed cops as well?
 
smootness said:
This is only the case if the ones you're throwing in prison are already unemployed at a higher rate than the rest of the population. Is that what you're saying?

cajunrevenge - holy crap, man, it's honestly difficult for me to grasp someone actually sharing those thoughts out publicly in any forum. Your entire argument is basically, 'I'm a criminal, so of course I want cops dead.' If you have a real problem with the laws, your issue is with the ones who make the laws, not those who enforce them.
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I don't have the numbers in front of me but I think blacks had a much higher unemployment rate. Specifically non college educated blacks.

To the other stuff, I don't consider myself a criminal but the officers that were shot consider me one. That makes them a threat to my safety and we'll being. I can't grasp the concept of why I would want someone who is a threat to my safety good health.

If cops are so about that law enforcement, so Gung how about sending people to prison for weed, then why do they never turn in their own kids for drugs. There's about 900k cops last I heard, none of them thought arrest and jail was the answer to their own kids drug problems. They know it's wrong. They know it hurts everyone involved.

I would have a lot more sympathy for cops if they did not actively lie and deceive the public. They are fear mongers who played on people's blind trust in law enforcement to advance their own financial interests. When their union pays big money to a prohibitionist candidate that is not being forced to uphold the law. That's influencing the law. I blame politicians fine. My hatred for the Clintons and their crime bill of mass destruction is something I am very vocal about.
 
smootness said:
We're arguing over drugs, though. Goodness. It's not as though we're talking about whether it should be a law that people speaking out against the government are imprisoned and tortured.

You can believe the war on drugs has been counterproductive and that it is a net negative on society to imprison so many drug offenders, but 'unjust'? Prohibition was dumb, but was it unjust? Are you suggesting that it is the obligation of citizens to buy, sell, and use drugs because the war on drugs is a bad idea?
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we lock up people for long periods of time for a plant that grows wild and doesn't kill anyone

yes, i would say it is unjust
 
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