The War to Settle the Score - Election Day 2024
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sturg33
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I'm having trouble finding the votes outstanding nationally, but California is only 55% reported, which would leave another 8 million or so to go. Not sure what the other states look like but don't think the raw numbers are going to be too far off unless I'm missing something
Makes you wonder who he voted for.
Yeah thats why I am rounding at 10 right now. Kommela currently is 13M below Bidens super real vote total.
Trump took a lot of Cali this year so the spread on that outstanding 8M won't be more than 3.
10M is a ****load of votes. Low turnout could be a couple of million. Not 10M which accounts for 12% of Bidens 'votes'.
Tapate50
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Everyone dismisses Rogan as the reason they do or don't listen and watch. I have listened to 0 podcasts because of Rogan himself. He is irrelevant except for being an outlet for his guests that is uncensored and unfiltered. There is tremendous value in that.
Joe Rogan has been a democrat until the crazies in California drove him out and made him start to see how Texas did things.
Now he does have a sense of humor, and I know thats been a void in the democratic party for some time now, so that may be offputting for some.
I think the Biden's truly hate Harris for her role in this. And Harris was likely forced on Joe in the first place in 2020. After all, Harris did call Joe a racist in the 2020 primaries. So I doubt those fences were mended very much internally.
Biden hates Trump too, but the Harris beef is a different sort of resentment when it's one of your own people stabbing you in the back.
Sure, but do you not see how the two bolded points here taken together don’t do a whole lot to persuade me? I happen to agree with you that there’s actual value in Rogan’s show. But just because he’s popular and prominent, it doesn’t mean that I should worry about his opinion. If we seemingly agree that Rogan’s value is largely in his platform, then where he lands on an issue compared to me shouldn’t really be a powerful indictment. If I were looking to start a left-wing social media sphere, I wouldn’t be courting Joe Rogan’s approval on social issues, I would be courting his audience, but with someone whose values *do* align more with mine. Because despite his independence, he’s had an outsized influence in driving viewers to look into more right-wing media, which does a much, much better job of engaging and cultivating that audience than the left does.
sturg33
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Part of this is because leftists refuse to go on his show bc then they would be accused of platforming a nazi adjacent influencer.
Their obsession with virtue signaling to the crazy part of their party has isolated them from majority of Americans
The other reason they won't go on his show is because they can't stand any pushback to their ideals.
A reminder that Kamala was invited and she declined
If this is true, it seems like Harris is a bit of a scapegoat in all of it. By basically every account of the inner-workings of the pressure campaign, Harris held the line for Joe the whole time. Even the outlets that seemed critical of the process (not the right wing spin team) seemed to have a consensus that while Harris was obviously happy to take the opportunity provided to her, she didn’t actively or even really passively participate in the pressure campaign.
Sorry if any of that sounded like an indictment of Rogan, because it wasn’t intended as such. My only negative point here about Rogan is that I do not find him personally insightful enough to be concerned that some of my views on social issues are further to the left of him. And I think if George Soros or whomever is doing whatever the Koch Brothers did for right wing social media funding wants to make an impact, finding someone who can produce a compelling show and letting them do the same things Rogan is doing is a good tool. It’s far from the whole picture, but there’s real political value in what Rogan is doing, even though he’s not intentionally doing so.
Tapate50
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This is a complete missed point.
His GUESTS get to speak uncensored and unchecked. Those are the inputs I listen to, not Rogan and his viewpoints. The guests offer more specific information I want to hear. Not Rogan.
Dems seem to flee the truth in multiple avenues, so this doesn't shock me another is looking for an "OUT" instead of listening to some inforative truths from his guests.
I honestly doubt these people really hate eachother like their bases do. Political theatre is closer to a WWE storyline than most people want to admit.
But yeah, the Bidens are in the top 5 of people who are glad Trump won.
Then I think you’re mis-reading *my* point because I actually agree with you. The format is really cool, and can absolutely be replicated. But even if Rogan gives his guests a lot of freedom, guests also get a say in where they speak, and I can envision some interesting left-of-center but not leftist voices being more open to speaking unfiltered on a show with a different host. And you’d be right to call out the left for this, but you can’t just wave a magic wand and get people to remember how to talk to people outside their echo chamber, and the left is particularly bad at online media as a political tool, so any progress would need to be incremental.
It's funny because for all the hate thrown at Trump for his sexist, racist, and otherwise discriminatory remarks, the Harris campaign and all her supporters bragged about going on Howard Stern, a guy known for misogynistic comments, objectifying women, and a litany of other outrageous behavior.
The amount of projection and gaslighting the democrats did during this cycle was something else
sturg33
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But also conservatives to stand for their values are infected with a mental illness