Things They Say
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The complete 180 that the Dems have made on immigration in the last 30 years is hysterical. Once they realized they were most likely D voters they change the policies. Basically what they do to black people in this country as well. Say enough to get elected and then don't give a crap afterwards.
You can pull quotes from Obama/Schumar/Bill Clinton/etc... and they are all against legalization. This is what happens when you don't stand for any core beliefs.
Runnin
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“Here’s what I keep saying: We know there’s something wrong, but what I’m tired of is people ― daily, nightly, on all the cable news shows ― telling us there’s something wrong. I just think we ought to direct our resources and our energies to doing something about it. And other people have made this point: If the guy was running Dairy Queen, he’d be gone. This guy couldn’t work at The Gap. So why do we have to be victimized by his fecklessness, his ignorance? But it’s just the behavior is insulting to Americans, whether you voted for him or not ― and I feel bad for people who did vote for him because he promised them things that they really needed and one wonders if he’s really going to come through. I know there’s trouble in this country and we need a guy who can fix that trouble. I wish it was Trump, but it’s not, so let’s just stop whining about what a goon he is and figure out a way to take him aside and put him in a home.“
David Letterman
David Letterman
cajunrevenge
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"Whose streets? Our streets!"
Charlottesville nazis.
"Whose streets? Our streets!"
St Louis police officers after 3 days of protests over murderer Jason Stockley being found innocent.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...hony-lamar-smith-jason-stockley-a7952446.html
Clearly a coincidence.
Charlottesville nazis.
"Whose streets? Our streets!"
St Louis police officers after 3 days of protests over murderer Jason Stockley being found innocent.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...hony-lamar-smith-jason-stockley-a7952446.html
Clearly a coincidence.
Jaw
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I am really hoping he runs a winning Presidential campaign one day. His politics are about as good as I can reasonably hope for, conservatives love him, and I think a black man as the de facto leader of the Republican party and President would do a lot for race relations in this country.
57Brave
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His politics aside
After the sad display of the GOP on race relations these past 8-9 years one would have to be delusional thinking Scott would be a (R) Presidential nominee.
Wonder how he will vote on stripping ACA and how it effects inner city populations.
See what I mean ?
After the sad display of the GOP on race relations these past 8-9 years one would have to be delusional thinking Scott would be a (R) Presidential nominee.
Wonder how he will vote on stripping ACA and how it effects inner city populations.
See what I mean ?
Jaw
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No, I really don't see what you mean at all.
Knowing that he is generally conservative and believes in the 10th Amendment and a smaller federal government, I would expect him to oppose ACA regardless of how it impacts anyone. It would be an insulting of me to expect him to abandon his principles just because they aren't convenient.
As for the whole "GOP on race relations" argument, I commute for about 4 hours a day total in Atlanta traffic, and have seen more bumper stickers for Herman Cain and Ben Carson during the last two primary seasons than for any other republican candidate. The idea that republican = racist is based on progressive's overuse of identity politics, not fact.
Knowing that he is generally conservative and believes in the 10th Amendment and a smaller federal government, I would expect him to oppose ACA regardless of how it impacts anyone. It would be an insulting of me to expect him to abandon his principles just because they aren't convenient.
As for the whole "GOP on race relations" argument, I commute for about 4 hours a day total in Atlanta traffic, and have seen more bumper stickers for Herman Cain and Ben Carson during the last two primary seasons than for any other republican candidate. The idea that republican = racist is based on progressive's overuse of identity politics, not fact.
57Brave
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Were you out of town during Charlettesville and the subsequent statements by Trump, the head of the GOP.
Or the TeaParty uprising of 09-10 ?
It is silly to me [R] sluffs odf 93+ % of African Ameticans denounce the GOP as a party by repeating the tired slogan of "identity politics"
Electoral Politics by definition is "identity politics "
Or the TeaParty uprising of 09-10 ?
It is silly to me [R] sluffs odf 93+ % of African Ameticans denounce the GOP as a party by repeating the tired slogan of "identity politics"
Electoral Politics by definition is "identity politics "
Jaw
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The statements by Trump that there were bad people on both sides? I think time and Antifa have proven that he was always right, despite the MSM whining about him saying it.
The Taxed Enough Already Party uprisings? Aren't black people also taxed? I guess I can't see how that is racist.
Which Republican policies are racist? There isn't a single one.
The Taxed Enough Already Party uprisings? Aren't black people also taxed? I guess I can't see how that is racist.
Which Republican policies are racist? There isn't a single one.
https://newrepublic.com/article/144739/liberals-get-wrong-identity-politics
What Liberals Get Wrong About Identity Politics
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/opinion/sunday/the-end-of-identity-liberalism.html?_r=0
The End of Identity Liberalism
57Brave
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and Trump voters voted for Trump over "economic anxiety "
gotcha
In 1948 Strom Thurmond ran as a Dixiecrat
George Wallace -- economic anxiety
Reagan - entered race in Philadelphia, Mississippi on the date of the church bombings
I am reading about LBJ and Civil Rights
Willie Horton
48%
Palin Rallies
and that brings us to 2016.
You could even go back further-- FDR coalition
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All examples of what is called "identity politics"
gotcha
In 1948 Strom Thurmond ran as a Dixiecrat
George Wallace -- economic anxiety
Reagan - entered race in Philadelphia, Mississippi on the date of the church bombings
I am reading about LBJ and Civil Rights
Willie Horton
48%
Palin Rallies
and that brings us to 2016.
You could even go back further-- FDR coalition
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All examples of what is called "identity politics"
Jaw
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When the collective writes that the “most radical politics come directly out of our own identity,” Lilla reads this as applying to each individual group’s identity when the Combahee River Collective meant “our own” to apply specifically to black women. It is a result of their belief, as they write later in the statement, that, “If Black women were free, it would mean that everyone else would have to be free since our freedom would necessitate the destruction of all the systems of oppression.”
That New Republic piece is a very insightful and well written article.
Jaw
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57 that was an interesting read, and honestly it was much better than I expected when I saw the name of the author. I do think Sullivan should have gone farther with this thought:
Conservative dissent therefore becomes tribal blasphemy. Free speech can quickly become “hate speech,” “hate speech” becomes indistinguishable from a “hate crime,” and a crime needs to be punished. Many members of the academic elite regard opposing views as threats to others’ existences, and conservative speakers often can only get a hearing on campus under lockdown. This seeps into the broader culture. It leads directly to a tech entrepreneur like Brendan Eich being hounded out of a company, Mozilla, he created because he once opposed marriage equality, or a brilliant coder, James Damore, being fired from Google for airing civil, empirical arguments against the left-feminist assumptions behind the company’s employment practices.
It’s why a young gay freelance writer, Chadwick Moore, could have a record of solid journalism, write a balanced profile of Milo Yiannopoulos for Out magazine, and then be subjected to an avalanche of bile from readers and a public denunciation signed by many of his fellow gay journalists. He lost his relationship with the magazine shortly thereafter. Moore is a fascinating case in how tribalism now infects everything. After being ostracized by his own tribe, he flipped, turned into a parody of MAGA conformity, and became an employee of Milo Inc.
Why didn't he list similarly intolerant acts by conservative groups?
In all seriousness, I did love how genuine this passage was:
As for indifference to reality, today’s Republicans cannot accept that human-produced carbon is destroying the planet, and today’s Democrats must believe that different outcomes for men and women in society are entirely a function of sexism. Even now, Democrats cannot say the words illegal immigrants or concede that affirmative action means discriminating against people because of their race. Republicans cannot own the fact that big tax cuts have not trickled down, or that President Bush authorized the brutal torture of prisoners, thereby unequivocally committing war crimes.
Conservative dissent therefore becomes tribal blasphemy. Free speech can quickly become “hate speech,” “hate speech” becomes indistinguishable from a “hate crime,” and a crime needs to be punished. Many members of the academic elite regard opposing views as threats to others’ existences, and conservative speakers often can only get a hearing on campus under lockdown. This seeps into the broader culture. It leads directly to a tech entrepreneur like Brendan Eich being hounded out of a company, Mozilla, he created because he once opposed marriage equality, or a brilliant coder, James Damore, being fired from Google for airing civil, empirical arguments against the left-feminist assumptions behind the company’s employment practices.
It’s why a young gay freelance writer, Chadwick Moore, could have a record of solid journalism, write a balanced profile of Milo Yiannopoulos for Out magazine, and then be subjected to an avalanche of bile from readers and a public denunciation signed by many of his fellow gay journalists. He lost his relationship with the magazine shortly thereafter. Moore is a fascinating case in how tribalism now infects everything. After being ostracized by his own tribe, he flipped, turned into a parody of MAGA conformity, and became an employee of Milo Inc.
Why didn't he list similarly intolerant acts by conservative groups?
In all seriousness, I did love how genuine this passage was:
As for indifference to reality, today’s Republicans cannot accept that human-produced carbon is destroying the planet, and today’s Democrats must believe that different outcomes for men and women in society are entirely a function of sexism. Even now, Democrats cannot say the words illegal immigrants or concede that affirmative action means discriminating against people because of their race. Republicans cannot own the fact that big tax cuts have not trickled down, or that President Bush authorized the brutal torture of prisoners, thereby unequivocally committing war crimes.
Jaw
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Also, this part of the article sounded quite a bit like someone on this board a few days ago:
Sullivan (Today): In fact, the person best positioned to get us out of this tribal trap would be … well … bear with me … Trump. The model would be Bill Clinton, the first president to meet our newly configured divide. Clinton leveraged the loyalty of Democrats thrilled to regain the White House in order to triangulate toward centrist compromises with the GOP. You can argue about the merits of the results, but he was able to govern, to move legislation forward, to reform welfare, reduce crime, turn the deficit into a surplus, survive impeachment, and end his term a popular president.
Trump is as much an opportunist as a tribalist; he won the presidency by having an intuitive, instinctive grasp of how to inflame and exploit our tribal divide. His base is therefore more fanatically loyal and his policy views even more, shall we say, flexible than Clinton’s. His recent dealings with the Democratic congressional leadership have flummoxed party leaders and disrupted our political storytelling. That’s something worth celebrating.
Jaw (12 days ago)Establishment Republicans seem shocked that the loose cannon has turned around and started firing warning shots at them. Trump is not the cardboard cutout career politician they are used to dealing with, he isn't going to sit back and be patient for the sake of dignity.
Keep in mind this is happening soon after major staff shakeups and Trump's frustration over the ACA defeat. He may be making a major course change only 8 months into his Presidency. We could see political dynamics reminiscent of Reagan-O'Neill and Clinton-Gingrich, except with the President working with the minority party. How long can McConnell, and especially Ryan, maintain their leadership roles when their party's President is forced to go behind their backs to get things done?
Things may be about to get very interesting in Washington.
The hotels, the model wives, the reality show, the WWF appearances, the fake magazine covers, the repeated comments about his news coverage. The man is clearly obsessed with his image. If someone has convinced him that he would look better by turning pure populist and making overtures to Democrats, I have no doubt he would do it. I almost expect him to do his best Bill Clinton impersonation now.
Obviously Sullivan reads the board. Hello Andrew.
Sullivan (Today): In fact, the person best positioned to get us out of this tribal trap would be … well … bear with me … Trump. The model would be Bill Clinton, the first president to meet our newly configured divide. Clinton leveraged the loyalty of Democrats thrilled to regain the White House in order to triangulate toward centrist compromises with the GOP. You can argue about the merits of the results, but he was able to govern, to move legislation forward, to reform welfare, reduce crime, turn the deficit into a surplus, survive impeachment, and end his term a popular president.
Trump is as much an opportunist as a tribalist; he won the presidency by having an intuitive, instinctive grasp of how to inflame and exploit our tribal divide. His base is therefore more fanatically loyal and his policy views even more, shall we say, flexible than Clinton’s. His recent dealings with the Democratic congressional leadership have flummoxed party leaders and disrupted our political storytelling. That’s something worth celebrating.
Jaw (12 days ago)Establishment Republicans seem shocked that the loose cannon has turned around and started firing warning shots at them. Trump is not the cardboard cutout career politician they are used to dealing with, he isn't going to sit back and be patient for the sake of dignity.
Keep in mind this is happening soon after major staff shakeups and Trump's frustration over the ACA defeat. He may be making a major course change only 8 months into his Presidency. We could see political dynamics reminiscent of Reagan-O'Neill and Clinton-Gingrich, except with the President working with the minority party. How long can McConnell, and especially Ryan, maintain their leadership roles when their party's President is forced to go behind their backs to get things done?
Things may be about to get very interesting in Washington.
The hotels, the model wives, the reality show, the WWF appearances, the fake magazine covers, the repeated comments about his news coverage. The man is clearly obsessed with his image. If someone has convinced him that he would look better by turning pure populist and making overtures to Democrats, I have no doubt he would do it. I almost expect him to do his best Bill Clinton impersonation now.
Obviously Sullivan reads the board. Hello Andrew.
cajunrevenge
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The problem was/is that they didn't diversify their economy. Saudi Arabia for example has trillions invested in the US.