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kakistocracy (English pronunciation: /kækɪsˈtɑkɹəsi/) is a system of government which is run by the worst, least qualified, or most unscrupulous citizens. ... It was also used by English author Thomas Love Peacock in 1829, but gained significant usage in the 21st century.

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"It's frankly disgusting the way the press is able to write whatever they want to write, and people should look into it."

Trump:
 
Jaw said:
Should we do the same for the manufacturers of cars that are used to kill by drunk drivers?
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Did you know that, in many states, both the bar and the bartender can be held both criminally and financially liable for over-serving a patron if said patron later commits intoxicated vehicular homicide? Perhaps selling too many weapons to the wrong person should carry similar ramifications?
 
“I think Donald Trump will understand when he’s sworn in the limits of his authority. He’ll have a White House counsel. There will be others who point out there’s certain things you can do and you can’t do. And it’s not quite like, you know, making a speech before a big audience and entertaining people. And I think he’s a smart guy, and I think he’s going to figure that out. So I’m not worried about it.”

Mitch McConnell
 
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...We cannot keep FEMA, the Military & the First Responders, who have been amazing (under the most difficult circumstances) in P.R. forever!
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I was struck last night watching episode 5 of Ken Burns Viet Nam . Musgrave saying from the first day of boot camp they are taught "never abandon a wounded Marine "
 
jpx7 said:
Did you know that, in many states, both the bar and the bartender can be held both criminally and financially liable for over-serving a patron if said patron later commits intoxicated vehicular homicide? Perhaps selling too many weapons to the wrong person should carry similar ramifications?
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Unless your point is that we should not sell guns to drunk people, I don't think I understand how the two have any correlation.
 
Jaw said:
Unless your point is that we should not sell guns to drunk people, I don't think I understand how the two have any correlation.
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It's directly relevant to the equivalency you drew.
 
jpx7 said:
It's directly relevant to the equivalency you drew.
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Well the equivalency that I drew is that both cars and guns are used to kill a lot of people. Applying your extension about alcohol would seem to indicate that we shouldn't sell lots of alcohol to someone who is either driving or packing. I would agree with that. Applying your extension about buying lots of guns would seem equal preventing someone from buying lots of cars, and then I would ask what you have against Jay Leno.
 
Jaw said:
Well the equivalency that I drew is that both cars and guns are used to kill a lot of people. Applying your extension about alcohol would seem to indicate that we shouldn't sell lots of alcohol to someone who is either driving or packing. I would agree with that. Applying your extension about buying lots of guns would seem equal preventing someone from buying lots of cars, and then I would ask what you have against Jay Leno.
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Dispensing with the obvious issue that vehicles have a utility other than death-bringing, and guns do not—that equivalency was also about liability, and how far we want to follow it up the chain in terms of criminal and/or fiduciary punishment. My "extension" only makes it clear that, across other fields, we've had no issue implicating merchants in the results of their wares.
 
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jpx7 said:
Dispensing with the obvious issue that vehicles have a utility other than death-bringing, and guns do not—that equivalency was also about liability, and how far we want to follow it up the chain in terms of criminal and/or fiduciary punishment. My "extension" only makes it clear that, across other fields, we've had no issue implicating merchants in the results of their wares.
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Understood. But we all know that holding the gun merchants criminally responsible for the actions of any buyer would only shut down respectable gun sales and result in a massive, unregulated, and lucrative black market for guns.
 
Jaw said:
Understood. But we all know that holding the gun merchants criminally responsible for the actions of any buyer would only shut down respectable gun sales and result in a massive, unregulated, and lucrative black market for guns.
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I'm not sure it goes that far, depending on the severity of punishment. For instance, total prohibition certainly resulted "in a massive, unregulated, and lucrative black market for" alcohol; however, the specter of a bar and bartender being held liable for an over-served patron that drunk-drives into a family of six has certainly not had that effect—it's just made bars a lot more assiduous in training/certifying employees, and made employees a lot more circumspect in not serving and/or calling cabs for patrons who may be dangerous.
 
“I just talked to the president, and I don’t think I’m being fired today.”

WH Chief of Staff John Kelly
 
If bartenders are responsible for drunk driver's then shouldn't cops be liable if a person gets a mental illness during incarceration for a victimless crime while in prison then goes kill someone?
 
my mother once said the world would never find peace until men fell at their women’s feet and asked for forgiveness. –jack kerouac
 
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