Things They Say

[57Brave]

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

Never said anything derogatory about Haitians other than Haiti is,

obviously, a very poor and troubled country.

Never said “take them out.” Made up by Dems.

I have a wonderful relationship with Haitians. Probably should record future meetings - unfortunately, no trust!


except for when he said all Haitians have AIDS, but hey ... got my thousand dollars

 

[cajunrevenge]

Hillary is so bad even the KKK supported a black man over her. Please explain to me what makes Hillary so qualified? Almost everything she touched turned into a dumpster fire from First Lady to Senator to Secretary of State.

 

[Julio3000]

I echo Sturg's take for the most part: the man himself is embarrassing, his policies and overall impact have been a definite win....but, I can't get the "cockamamie ploy" part out of my head. I may be crazy, but for someone who comes across as such a buffoon, he comes out on top A LOT.

He's wealthy, married to a supermodel, got his tax reform bill when it seemed like half of his own party was waiting for Pence, has made actual progress on NK, has a chance to look really good on immigration, and has gone a long way to restoring order in a military that had become a hollow force. He beat the Bushes and the Clintons in the same election cycle, for crying out loud.

I don't know. I'm not sure anything he does or fails to do will surprise me.

I can subscribe to that as it relates to the election.

But how different would tax reform and deregulation look under another Republican president? I don't really understand what you guys think Trump special sauce is when it comes to governance.

I think with coherent and competent leadership and better messaging coordination between WH and Hill, ACA repeal would have happened. I'm still shocked that it didn't.

He's wealthy, married to a supermodel,

I'm not sure which bit of this I'm supposed to be impressed by. That a guy who was born wealthy has somehow beaten insurmountable odds and stayed wealthy, or the rich-guy-marries-a-model part.

got his tax reform bill when it seemed like half of his own party was waiting for Pence,

He got REPUBLICANS to pass TAX CUTS. He "got" a two-house majority to do the one thing that is always their #1 priority, above all else and regardless of internecine fights.

has made actual progress on NK,

I'm not sure how to parse this one just yet, but some there have been what look like genuine positive developments recently.

has a chance to look really good on immigration,

Yeah, we'll see.

and has gone a long way to restoring order in a military that had become a hollow force.

Not sure how much of either component of this is true, tbh.

 

[thethe]

How many positive developments need to happen before some realize that Trump has an idea of what he is doing? Its all dumb luck?

 

[Runnin]

How many positive developments need to happen before some realize that Trump has an idea of what he is doing? Its all dumb luck?

What positive developments? That the economy, for now, continues to roll? The Bull Market is now 103 months old. Your delusion and love for the racist in chief is sad.

Btw, everyone knows that what goes up must come down.

 

[cajunrevenge]

"Any way you say it, marijuana is an entry drug into the higher drugs. What you really need to do is go back in the '30s, when they outlawed all types of drugs...What was the reason why they did that? One of the reasons why, I hate to say it, was that the African Americans, they were basically users and they basically responded the worst off to those drugs just because of their character makeup, their genetics and that. And so basically what we're trying to do is we're trying to do a complete reverse with people not remembering what has happened in the past."

GOP state rep Steve Alford......

" I am about as far from a racist as I can get"

GOP state rep Steve Alford

 

[Runnin]

“He (Bannon)threw up his hands again, this time as if to say, “Hands off”.

“I know no Russians. I don’t know nothin’ about nothin’. I’m not bein’ a witness. I’m not hiring a lawyer. It is not gonna be my ass in front of a microphone on national TV answering questions. Hope Hicks is so ****ed, she doesn’t even know it. They are going to lay her out. They are going to crack Don, Jr. like an egg on national TV. Michael Cohen, crack like an egg.

He, the President, said to me, ‘Everybody would take that Don, Jr. meeting with the Russians.’

I said, ‘Everybody would not take that meeting.’ I said, ‘I’m a naval officer. I’m not gonna take a meeting with Russian nationals and do it in headquarters. Are you ****in’ insane?’

And he says, “But he’s a good boy”.

Bannon, F & F

 

[57Brave]

Hiking - "I don't like either the word or the thing. People ought to saunter in the mountains - not hike! Do you know the origin of that word 'saunter?' It's a beautiful word. Away back in the Middle Ages people used to go on pilgrimages to the Holy Land, and when people in the villages through which they passed asked where they were going, they would reply, 'A la sainte terre,' 'To the Holy Land.' And so they became known as sainte-terre-ers or saunterers. Now these mountains are our Holy Land, and we ought to saunter through them reverently, not 'hike' through them."

- John Muir

 

[thethe]

What positive developments? That the economy, for now, continues to roll? The Bull Market is now 103 months old. Your delusion and love for the racist in chief is sad.

Btw, everyone knows that what goes up must come down.

I suppose you are misinformed about the type of jobs that were added to Obamas economy. Also lets ignore terrible GDP growth after a recession and the fact that he was propped up by the Feds actions.

There is no debate. Obamas domestic policy was a disaster.

 

[Runnin]

"I am not a crook."

"I am not a racist."

 

[57Brave]

Stable Flamingo Genius
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: “Give us your rich, your Scandinavian,

your well-dressed skiers...”

 

[jpx7]

There is no debate. Obamas domestic policy was a disaster.

I'm not great defender of Barack Obama's policies, but there's very much a debate as to whether his "domestic policy was a disaster." Indeed, that there is a valid debate is very much not up for debate.

 

[thethe]

I'm not great defender of Barack Obama's policies, but there's very much a debate as to whether his "domestic policy was a disaster." Indeed, that there is a valid debate is very much not up for debate.

Maybe I should just specify further and mean domestic policy in relation to the economy. That much is for sure and we are seeing the fruits of resetting to a more capitalistic style ecnomy. I know that pains you but the results are there for all to see.

 

[jpx7]

Maybe I should just specify further and mean domestic policy in relation to the economy. That much is for sure and we are seeing the fruits of resetting to a more capitalistic style ecnomy. I know that pains you but the results are there for all to see.

Seeds are being planted, but they’re hardly yet bearing fruit. I’m confident the same old rapaciousness of oligarchy and immiseration of masses will bloom, because those are the historic fruits of capitalism. I’d prefer to be wrong, since I’m anti-suffering, but the odds go the other way.

 

[thethe]

Seeds are being planted, but they’re hardly yet bearing fruit. I’m confident the same old rapaciousness of oligarchy and immiseration of masses will bloom, because those are the historic fruits of capitalism. I’d prefer to be wrong, since I’m anti-suffering, but the odds go the other way.

Growth is good for the American people. I'm not sure how that can be debated. We are seeing growth as a result of a movement back to a capitalistic style of economny. Tax/Regulation/Spend produced lackluster results after a recession along with the feds help. The system you espouse doesn't work and the only people that suffer from this are the poor and middle class. The rich still end up on top in both systems. I prefer to support the system that provides real opportunity for those with the initiative to take it.

 

[jpx7]

Growth is good for the American people. I'm not sure how that can be debated. We are seeing growth as a result of a movement back to a capitalistic style of economny. Tax/Regulation/Spend produced lackluster results after a recession along with the feds help. The system you espouse doesn't work and the only people that suffer from this are the poor and middle class. The rich still end up on top in both systems. I prefer to support the system that provides real opportunity for those with the initiative to take it.

The “system I support”—which I don’t think you have much grasp on, as it is—was never in place, so it can’t have been replaced.

And “growth” in vague economic terms is most certainly not an unvarnished good, in and of itself.

 

[thethe]

How is growth not unequivocally good?

Please describe your system in detail or at least guidelines.

 

[jpx7]

How is growth not unequivocally good?

Please describe your system in detail or at least guidelines.

If grown is and stays concentrated with robberbaron holders of capital—is strikingly assymetrical—then it is still economic “growth” but it is not good because it fails most people.

As for the second question: will it really do any good? We’ve been through it all before. I have a long-term distrust of capitalism weighed against a deep-seated disdain for suffering and violence. The result is a short-term desire to ensure a basic standard of living—not dying, if it can be possibly helped, but also living to a basic standard of comfort—for all constituents of this country, which is both a moral good and affordable for this nation with a little political will, an embrace of the value of the abject and the abjectness of greed, some substantial reforms (still well short of revolution), and an end to lionising unmitigated accrual of wealth.

 

[thethe]

If grown is and stays concentrated with robberbaron holders of capital—is strikingly assymetrical—then it is still economic “growth” but it is not good because it fails most people.

As for the second question: will it really do any good? We’ve been through it all before. I have a long-term distrust of capitalism weighed against a deep-seated disdain for suffering and violence. The result is a short-term desire to ensure a basic standard of living—not dying, if it can be possibly helped, but also living to a basic standard of comfort—for all constituents of this country, which is both a moral good and affordable for this nation with a little political will, an embrace of the value of the abject and the abjectness of greed, some substantial reforms (still well short of revolution), and an end to lionising unmitigated accrual of wealth.

That goes against the very nature of humans. The urge to want 'more' is what has advanced us to where we are today from the very first humans to roam the planet earth and you want to just curb that for your objective belief of 'goodness' and 'fairness'?

You can dance around it all you want but the language that you use is very closely aligned with Karl Marx.

 

[sturg33]

thethe, jpx would not be happy if everyone's income doubled because it would benefit rich people more than poor people.

Kinda reminds me of this gem