This still makes me angry.

"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor"

- Project for the New American Century; established in 1997, whose members included Jeb Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, & Paul Wolfowitz

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50PoundHead said:
Oh, now I'm convinced.
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Oh you better be BROTHER!
 
sturg33 said:
Regarding your link - I guess that guy's theory closes the case. I guess I should start seeing skyscrapers collapse to the ground every time there is a fire burning for an hour.

There's also the put-options that were placed on the airlines. The insurance policies taken out on the buildings. The FBI confiscation of any video recording of the Pentagon hit. The fact that our entire east coast was left defenseless because of "training." The fact they were able to conveniently recover the passports of the hijackers, while bodies and blackboxes were completely melted/destroyed. There's the hundreds of eye-witness of explosions. There's the testimony of the former pilot instructor of the Pentagon hijacker who said they guy was a terrible pilot. There was the fake confession tape.

I could go on and on, but why, when you completely discount my view as preposterous. While completely discounting the fact that I once held your view, and upon further evaluation, realized that 9/11 was the biggest fantasy ever told. But hey - since it makes you sleep better at night, keep believing that 3 skyscrapers completely collapse at free-fall speed because of fire. According to you, it happens all the time..
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ON THE BBC:

On 11 September 2001 Reuters incorrectly reported that one of the buildings at the New York World Trade Center, 7WTC, had collapsed before it actually did. The report was picked up from a local news story and was withdrawn as soon as it emerged that the building had not fallen...

I put this to the writer and director of Loose Change, Dylan Avery. I asked whether he believed the BBC was part of the conspiracy. Given the question his film had posed about the BBC I was surprised by Dylan's response: "Of course not, that's ludicrous. Why would the BBC be part of it?"

He added candidly: "I didn't really want to put that line in the movie."

lol... even the director of Loose Change thinks it's ludicrous.

The problem with these facts you propose is that many of them are actually not facts. For example, only one passport from a hijacker was found. The air force was more than capable of defending the east coast. Sure there were some training missions as there always were, but obviously there were planes ready to defend the east coast. Even the planes in training were capable of intercepting the planes. I saw a security tape of the pentagon attack. Also several other videos were released many years ago. I already explained the explosions in the link provided in my last post. Your reading comprehension was just horrific when/if you read the posted quote.

The link I provided a couple years ago and again provided you not long ago was not the 9/11 report. Again you didn't read it obviously and you have no comprehension of what the official reasoning is in regards to the buildings colliding.

You just want to spew your silly rhetoric about how you once didn't buy into the conspiracy and now you do, as if that gives your position any added credibility.
 
sturg33 said:
In my opinion, engineers have a lot more to lose by going against the official story than by abiding it. Especially when there are several documented stories of engineers changing their tunes after receiving visits from the FBI.
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I have nothing to lose.
 
weso1 said:
ON THE BBC:

On 11 September 2001 Reuters incorrectly reported that one of the buildings at the New York World Trade Center, 7WTC, had collapsed before it actually did. The report was picked up from a local news story and was withdrawn as soon as it emerged that the building had not fallen...
I put this to the writer and director of Loose Change, Dylan Avery. I asked whether he believed the BBC was part of the conspiracy. Given the question his film had posed about the BBC I was surprised by Dylan's response: "Of course not, that's ludicrous. Why would the BBC be part of it?"

He added candidly: "I didn't really want to put that line in the movie."

lol... even the director of Loose Change thinks it's ludicrous.

The problem with these facts you propose is that many of them are actually not facts. For example, only one passport from a hijacker was found. The air force was more than capable of defending the east coast. Sure there were some training missions as there always were, but obviously there were planes ready to defend the east coast. Even the planes in training were capable of intercepting the planes. I saw a security tape of the pentagon attack. Also several other videos were released many years ago. I already explained the explosions in the link provided in my last post. Your reading comprehension was just horrific when/if you read the posted quote.

The link I provided a couple years ago and again provided you not long ago was not the 9/11 report. Again you didn't read it obviously and you have no comprehension of what the official reasoning is in regards to the buildings colliding.

You just want to spew your silly rhetoric about how you once didn't buy into the conspiracy and now you do, as if that gives your position any added credibility.
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Would you mind sharing the security footage of the plane hitting the pentagon. As far as I know, the government released 5 non-sequential frames of the hit.

If they were capable of defending the east coast, much less the damn pentagon, where were they?

There were 4 passports found, although only one from WTC...

You didn't "explain" the explosions. You posted a link of a "theory." Of course there will be theories to help explain away all of this. Not sure why they need them though, bc skyscrapers collapse all the time...

If I can't trust the 9/11 commission report, why should I trust a link you provided several years ago (of which I probably did not read)? The 9/11 commission report was TRUTH! So much so that Bush and Cheney wouldn't testify under oath or separately.

But at least 9/11 allowed our government to enact things such as TSA, Patriot Act, NDAA, 3 wars, NSA domestic spying, quadrupling our military industrial complex, among countless other things. Gotta keep us safe, you know. Otherwise, more skyscrapers are bound to collapse.

With all that being said - I do hope you're right.
 
bravesnumberone said:
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I like Penn. And while that was entertaining, he didn't do anything to support why he disagrees with the conspiracy folks other than mock them.

Also... posing questions about 9/11 is not an "insult" to the victims. It is actually trying to find out what actually happened.
 
sturg33 said:
I like Penn. And while that was entertaining, he didn't do anything to support why he disagrees with the conspiracy folks other than mock them.

Also... posing questions about 9/11 is not an "insult" to the victims. It is actually trying to find out what actually happened.
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Trying to come up with numerous unfounded conspiracy theories with no basis to support them, just for the sake of disagreeing and hating the government, is an insult to them and to us all. I saw what happened with my own two eyes. You're the one that needs to justify and actually say what you think happened rather than posting a bunch of links from a bunch of wannabe scientists.
 
bravesnumberone said:
Trying to come up with numerous unfounded conspiracy theories with no basis to support them, just for the sake of disagreeing and hating the government, is an insult to them and to us all. I saw what happened with my own two eyes. You're the one that needs to justify and actually say what you think happened rather than posting a bunch of links from a bunch of wannabe scientists.
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I think the government either knew and/or was complicit in some of the events that took place in an effort to increase the size of our defense and foreign pressence, while gaining universal public support to justify starting multiple wars.
 
bravesnumberone said:
Trying to come up with numerous unfounded conspiracy theories with no basis to support them, just for the sake of disagreeing and hating the government, is an insult to them and to us all. I saw what happened with my own two eyes. You're the one that needs to justify and actually say what you think happened rather than posting a bunch of links from a bunch of wannabe scientists.
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Where's that past evidence of super tall skyscrapers falling after being hit by large passenger jets? Show me that youtube link.

Other smaller buildings of fire fell similarly? Sorry, but we can't use that as evidence because I know nothing about proportionality.

You got theories? I've got uneducated guesses.

Why did the news incorrectly report something that day? They never ever do that.

And don't show me a study released from multiple engineers and physicists that explained how the buildings fell. Not interested in that.

How do magnets work?
 
weso1 said:
Where's that past evidence of super tall skyscrapers falling after being hit by large passenger jets? Show me that youtube link.

Other smaller buildings of fire fell similarly? Sorry, but we can't use that as evidence because I know nothing about proportionality.

You got theories? I've got uneducated guesses.

Why did the news incorrectly report something that day? They never ever do that.

And don't show me a study released from multiple engineers and physicists that explained how the buildings fell. Not interested in that.

How do magnets work?
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You forgot the government paid off those scientists.
 
sturg33 said:
"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor"

- Project for the New American Century; established in 1997, whose members included Jeb Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, & Paul Wolfowitz

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I think the most we can take away from the PNAC policy memos—and the specific one to which you refer was entitled Rebuilding America's Defenses, and is dripping with Reagan-era defense-industry dogma—is that this cabal of neo-liberals was entirely ready to pounce on something they recognized, in the late-1990s, the geo-political climate was ripe for; but I don't think their output in any way evinces material, instrumental culpability.
 
sturg33 said:
I could go on and on, but why, when you completely discount my view as preposterous. While completely discounting the fact that I once held your view, and upon further evaluation, realized that 9/11 was the biggest fantasy ever told. But hey - since it makes you sleep better at night, keep believing that 3 skyscrapers completely collapse at free-fall speed because of fire. According to you, it happens all the time..
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I also once held your view.

When I was 15.
 
Bunch of people commenting on structural engineering that have no clue about it.
 
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