This team is not in doomed for the next couple of years.

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It's OVER 5,000!
I feel like a lot of people think they are. There were some definite flaws but there's some definite positives as well.

If you look at some players year-to-year, baseball players tend to have up and down years. For example, if Simmons had even hit like Alcides Escobar (albeit a bit of different hitters), the overall team would be in better shape. Simmons is capable of hitting to that level. He doesn't have to be a great hitter, or even above .750 OPS guy to be a much more valuable player than he was this year.

I'm not denying some changes need to be made. And they may not necessarily be easy to make. But there are good reasons to be optimistic for the next few years. Say what you want but a lot of teams would like to have some of young players we have right now. CJ and BJ are killers for reasons outside even their game, and that's the biggest concern. It's hard to quantify how far away this team actually is. I don't think it's a stretch to say they underachieved this year. With some tweaks they could be overachievers like last year, but certain teams overachieve every year. I think our young talent could do that any season if there are some changes to certain places.

Good players take steps back and forth all the time in this league. We need one of our guys to be a true star. I think JUp is a very good player but is too wildly inconsistent. Every hitter is, but when he's bad, he's bad. And I know you can look at months this year and say he's been consistent, but be real. When he's bad, whether it's two weeks or a month at a time, he's remarkably unproductive. No part of me wants to see Heyward walk. But he didn't hit at the level we had hoped he would by now. He's still really young though, and I believe he could do it at any time. An .800 OPS would be a huge step up, and there's no way someone can say he's not capable of that.

Certain guys producing at levels their easily capable of doing could make a big difference. We have players that have talent to take some steps up, and I think more than most other teams.
 
Good post. Surprisingly I agree with some of your points.

First change needed to be made and its already been done. I don't want to turn this into Frank Wren part deux.

I already like this direction this team is headed though.
 
I agree. Especially about Justin. This team isn't nearly as bad as some people think they are. What worries me is having Andrelton, Bethancourt, and a light hitting center fielder in the lineup at the same time. BJ looks like he is gone one way or another but it's going to be difficult to find a good hitting center fielder. That's why I want Heywood moved there. Say Andrelton, Bethancourt, and the starting center fielder combine for a .295 OBP in 1500 combined plate appearances, that's a pretty big handicap to start with.

I think the focus of the offseason should be in getting average or better offensive production from at least 7 positions. One defensive oriented player at a key position is okay.
 
I agree but the main problem is having so many easy outs in the lineup.

Yes Fredi isnt a great manager but hes not working with a stacked lineup/team here by any means.
 
We'll make the playoffs next year if we return the same basic team. We have some heavy long term concerns if we let Jason and Justin go.
 
We'll make the playoffs next year if we return the same basic team. We have some heavy long term concerns if we let Jason and Justin go.

Not so sure about this.

More i think about it, we can probably only keep one of Justin/Jason. Our offense sucks enough as is, have 3 players making close to 20 mil a year.......
 
If we can get some actual real production from CF and 3B, hire a competent manager and stay healthy, we can easily win the division.

If we had closer to what the Nats had at CF and 3B, we'd be in a much better position right now.
 
We'll make the playoffs next year if we return the same basic team. We have some heavy long term concerns if we let Jason and Justin go.

What? The Braves are going to lose the division by about 17 games. Not too mention the playoffs this season require like 87 wins. Where are 10-12 more wins coming from?
 
What? The Braves are going to lose the division by about 17 games. Not too mention the playoffs this season require like 87 wins. Where are 10-12 more wins coming from?

We had 0 players over perform offensively this year,, except perhaps Gattis. There's little room for offensive regression without a cataclysmic season. There's much room for offensive improvement.

On top of that, when you just look at one stat (wins) you're looking at results of matchups, not performance on the field. In a Vacuum the Braves and Cardinals would have been the WC teams. The Giants results massively outperformed their production. I think ahealthy chunk of that falls on Bochy though while a healthy chunk of our sucking (pretty much same team fWAR as the Cards) falls on Fredi.

GIve this same lineup a manager who won't let them do what happened this September, who doesn't set retarded lineups all of the time, so on so forth and we may be able to maximize our results.
 
I agree but the main problem is having so many easy outs in the lineup.

Yes Fredi isnt a great manager but hes not working with a stacked lineup/team here by any means.

Even if he had a stacked lineup he would screw it up. If he comes back we are doomed. #FireFredi
 
Last year we played in a **** division. This year we aren't. Nats made one move this offseason of note, fired their manager got a new one, look what happened.

Nats have better talent than we do.

1-8 a very good lineup.

A great rotation 1-5, a solid bullpen, good bench.

Matt Williams isnt even that good of a manager, their talent just performed like it was capable this year opposed to 2013.
 
If managers make such a huge impact on a team's success and Johnson is so terrible, then how did they win 98 in 2012 with him? Replacing Detweiler and Harren with Fister and Roark and bringing in Cabrera are what fixed the Nats, not Williams.
 
Is that the case?

Is Bryce Harper performing like he's capable?

Positition wise last year their top 5 players combined for a 19.7 fWAR this year their top 5 players combined for a 20.6 fWAR. An improvement, but hardly the only difference. Pitchingwise they improved in the rotation a bunch with Zimmerman pitching better, Strasburg pitching a full season (with the same basic stats) and Roark doing very well. Gio was basically equal to last year, and fister, well he's not been Fister, his ERA is way too far from his FIP, he's set for a major regression if he doesn't improve his peripherals. Nats pitching has been much improved, but it's the same potential we have with Minor, Julio, and Wood coming into their own.

I think many of our players under performed and I really think that we missed a lot of run creation opportunites because of Fredi. Our best hitters all year have been Fredi, Justin and Gattis who've spend all year hitting 3,4 and 5-6. We had **** in the 2-hole in front of them. 2nd hitters on the Braves had a sub .300 OBP and a sub .350 SLG. 6th worst in all of baseball. Who did we have to keep those numbers up? Gosselin and Simmons did well in the 2 hole respective to their numbers for the season. TLS was below his season average there. BUt the one who brought it up the most was (wait for it) Justin Upton.

Braves lineup is built so dumb, they're concerned about the wrong things.

Jason
Justin
Freddie
Gattis

Let the rest fall into place.
 
If managers make such a huge impact on a team's success and Johnson is so terrible, then how did they win 98 in 2012 with him? Replacing Detweiler and Harren with Fister and Roark and bringing in Cabrera are what fixed the Nats, not Williams.

Cabrera was only there for far of the season. Roark pitched last year, Fister has a low ERA but hasn't been amazing in the peripheral sense.
 
If managers make such a huge impact on a team's success and Johnson is so terrible, then how did they win 98 in 2012 with him? Replacing Detweiler and Harren with Fister and Roark and bringing in Cabrera are what fixed the Nats, not Williams.

Managers absolutely make a huge difference on a team. I have coached baseball all the way up to big time High School age kids. Yes the players have to perform but a good manager can even enhance that. It goes back to preparation and approach. One of the biggest things Fredi sucks at is managing a tight game late. Not to mention he does not have a clue at setting his lineups. I mean does this team know how to bunt? If not that is 100% on Fredi. If I can teach a 8 year old girl how to bunt, Fredi should be able to work with major league talent and have them bunt. Someone the other day hit the nail on the head with Jason Heyward. The guy has not clue what his role is. Everytime he gets going Fredi changes him and sticks him in a different spot in the lineup. NOT COOL! You have to know your players and you have to be able to put them in the position to succeed. Fredi fails at this more than any other thing on his long list of failures. Hell he batted Bj in the leadoff spot for two months. People on this board was saying how stupid that was on the first day of the season. I am not even going to get into his bullpen use.
 
If managers make such a huge impact on a team's success and Johnson is so terrible, then how did they win 98 in 2012 with him? Replacing Detweiler and Harren with Fister and Roark and bringing in Cabrera are what fixed the Nats, not Williams.

Matt Williams has not already been canned by another club when he failed miserable. I don't know how good Williams is but he obviously has them playing at a high level. Argue that fact!
 
You can't expect great pitching every year and you can't just automatically expect players to bounce back. Uggla and BJ have at least taught that.

We have to do what it takes to keep Jason. He's one of the few emerging leaders on the team. I think he should probably stay in RF, though I'm tempted to move him to CF where his range could really be utilized. He might win a GG there too.
 
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