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goldfly
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No, it wouldn’t be the same reason cause the white national anthem was sung before that one
Why do you think the poem/song was written in 1900?
Was it cause black people were such a part of this country and welcomed that they were like “let’s divide these people” or is it cause of some other reason?
You really go out of your way to get offended. It’s weird that you claim others do that lol
By the way, the lyrics to this “song of division”
Why do you think the poem/song was written in 1900?
Was it cause black people were such a part of this country and welcomed that they were like “let’s divide these people” or is it cause of some other reason?
You really go out of your way to get offended. It’s weird that you claim others do that lol
By the way, the lyrics to this “song of division”
nsacpi
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I think there is a misunderstanding of what the purpose of the "Black National Anthem" or a black national holiday like Juneteenth mean. It is about their struggle. But not their struggle for independence or for being apart (of course from which the word apartheid springs). Rather it commemorates their struggle to be fully a part of our country. I'm an immigrant. And for me one of the most amazing things about this country is the fact that black people did not give up on it. They have believed in it in spite of all of the injuries inflicted upon them. And their songs and holidays don't signify a desire to be apart at all. Those songs celebrate their struggle to be fully a part of this country. Listen to the words.
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goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
hey, if you want to know why some think youre a hack (or imo a fraud) and why you don't debate genuinely about topics
it's cause of examples like this reply you gave me that i quoted when we were talking about something else
sturg33
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I'm not quite following why Michigan felt the need to have the actual American national anthem, and then what is described as "the black national anthem"
Using logic, you're trying to segregate the two. If its meant to represent their struggle as nsacpi suggests, why stop at just these two songs?
(I am aware you struggle with logic but figured I'd ask anyway)
nsacpi
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That song commemorates black people's struggle in this country. Singing it doesn't diminish or denigrate the struggles and contributions of others. I don't think it is divisive at all. It's like thinking saying black lives matter means white lives or asian lives or hispanic lives matter less. That is such a profound misreading of what is being said.
sturg33
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Hopefully President Unity is able to get us to a place where we don't feel the need to have multiple anthems based solely on race
nsacpi
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I am of old and young, of the foolish as much as the wise,
Regardless of others, ever regardful of others,
Maternal as well as paternal, a child as well as a man,
Stuff’d with the stuff that is coarse and stuff’d with the stuff that is fine,
One of the Nation of many nations, the smallest the same and the largest the same,
A Southerner soon as a Northerner, a planter nonchalant and hospitable down by the Oconee I live,
A Yankee bound my own way ready for trade, my joints the limberest joints on earth and the sternest joints on earth,
A Kentuckian walking the vale of the Elkhorn in my deer-skin leggings, a Louisianian or Georgian,
A boatman over lakes or bays or along coasts, a Hoosier, Badger, Buckeye;
At home on Kanadian snow-shoes or up in the bush, or with fishermen off Newfoundland,
At home in the fleet of ice-boats, sailing with the rest and tacking,
At home on the hills of Vermont or in the woods of Maine, or the Texan ranch,
Comrade of Californians, comrade of free North-Westerners, (loving their big proportions,)
Comrade of raftsmen and coalmen, comrade of all who shake hands and welcome to drink and meat,
A learner with the simplest, a teacher of the thoughtfullest,
A novice beginning yet experient of myriads of seasons,
Of every hue and caste am I, of every rank and religion,
A farmer, mechanic, artist, gentleman, sailor, quaker,
Prisoner, fancy-man, rowdy, lawyer, physician, priest.
I resist any thing better than my own diversity,
Breathe the air but leave plenty after me,
And am not stuck up, and am in my place.
(The moth and the fish-eggs are in their place,
The bright suns I see and the dark suns I cannot see are in their place,
The palpable is in its place and the impalpable is in its place.)
Regardless of others, ever regardful of others,
Maternal as well as paternal, a child as well as a man,
Stuff’d with the stuff that is coarse and stuff’d with the stuff that is fine,
One of the Nation of many nations, the smallest the same and the largest the same,
A Southerner soon as a Northerner, a planter nonchalant and hospitable down by the Oconee I live,
A Yankee bound my own way ready for trade, my joints the limberest joints on earth and the sternest joints on earth,
A Kentuckian walking the vale of the Elkhorn in my deer-skin leggings, a Louisianian or Georgian,
A boatman over lakes or bays or along coasts, a Hoosier, Badger, Buckeye;
At home on Kanadian snow-shoes or up in the bush, or with fishermen off Newfoundland,
At home in the fleet of ice-boats, sailing with the rest and tacking,
At home on the hills of Vermont or in the woods of Maine, or the Texan ranch,
Comrade of Californians, comrade of free North-Westerners, (loving their big proportions,)
Comrade of raftsmen and coalmen, comrade of all who shake hands and welcome to drink and meat,
A learner with the simplest, a teacher of the thoughtfullest,
A novice beginning yet experient of myriads of seasons,
Of every hue and caste am I, of every rank and religion,
A farmer, mechanic, artist, gentleman, sailor, quaker,
Prisoner, fancy-man, rowdy, lawyer, physician, priest.
I resist any thing better than my own diversity,
Breathe the air but leave plenty after me,
And am not stuck up, and am in my place.
(The moth and the fish-eggs are in their place,
The bright suns I see and the dark suns I cannot see are in their place,
The palpable is in its place and the impalpable is in its place.)
sturg33
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Yes I know you've been predicting his jail sentence for years.
Like everything else you've assured us, you will be wrong again.
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
Tripe. I've been in pigpens that were full of less crap.
That song represents the continued need to divide with identity politics. It benefits race hustlers in the civil rights industry, the grievance industry, and the government industry. It helps intellectually dishonest professors with worthless degrees justify getting paid to instruct the naive in their pursuit of intellectually dishonest, worthless degrees. It benefits the movement to codify racial discrimination in favor of the right kinds of minorities. It benefits disingenuous political commentators who bravely want to play on the side of popular culture, celebrities, media, and the other ignorant elitists who are more concerned with appearances than reality.
What it doesn't benefit is any kind of progress. But then, it isn't supposed to.
nsacpi
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nsacpi
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it seems to me that some analogous prose could be spilt on the agendas and good will (or lack thereof) of people who share this on twitter and post about it on the THLIM thread...i will leave it at that
although a few questions do spring to mind:
1) is your objection (note that i talk of you not some vague group like pointy headed professors or Breitbart who after all are not here to explain themselves) the words of the song
2) or the name of the song (which happens to be Lift Every Voice and Sing)
3) or the song being referred to as the Black National Anthem
4) or its being sung at that particular occasion
5) or people being requested to remain standing while it is sung
6) or some combination of the above
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