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I like you mqt, but there’s just no way I’d ever support a criminal justice system that thinks like this in the context of child killers.

If a jury did find him criminally insane and he spent 8 years in prison, is there never a point at which they could just be ready for society?
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It is duly noted that you are unable to answer a very simple hypothetical question. But you advocate for a justice system that forces that hypothetical on others by allowing convicted murderers on early release.
 
sturg33 said:
No I understand perfectly.

When given news that a child killer was released from prison after 8 years, your immediate instinct was to "explore what we should accept as a standard to meet to let someone like those free"

Thats where you went immediately. Your heart is always alligned to the criminal
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But I’ve already told you that my preferred solution would still see him locked up for as long as his sentence would have been if convicted.
 
mqt said:
But I’ve already told you that my preferred solution would still see him locked up for as long as his sentence would have been if convicted.
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Yes we know.

The standard "hey now, I dont necessarily support those heinous act, but we should think about ways in which we could justify it.

Anyhow, I'll be voting D"
 
chop2chip said:
I like you mqt, but there’s just no way I’d ever support a criminal justice system that thinks like this in the context of child killers.



It is duly noted that you are unable to answer a very simple hypothetical question. But you advocate for a justice system that forces that hypothetical on others by allowing convicted murderers on early release.
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I get that I’m being kind of a pontificating fuckwit on this, but I just don’t agree with the premise that it’s a simple hypothetical. There are a lot of flavors of crazy, and some of them are genuinely treatable. I think the distinction matters.
 
sturg33 said:
The data on repeating violent criminals is so overwhelming that only a retard or a PhD couldn't come to the obvious conclusion
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Yes, but I’m not calling for the release of violent criminals. I’m calling on treating a non-conviction solely due to mental illness as nothing more than a replacement place to be detained for the same amount of time. But we won’t be getting that, and we should know what constitutes a successful recovery if we’re going to do it.
 
mqt said:
I get that I’m being kind of a pontificating fuckwit on this, but I just don’t agree with the premise that it’s a simple hypothetical. There are a lot of flavors of crazy, and some of them are genuinely treatable. I think the distinction matters.
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The type of crazy is variable but the outcome of the crime isn’t!
 
If there is any doubt why I think we should move away from the qualitative benchmarks and towards the quantitative ones, this happened today with the person attempted to assassinate a Supreme Court justice

“I am heartened that this terrible infraction has helped the Roske family… accept their daughter for who she is,” Judge Boardman said of the convict’s mom affirming his gender identity.
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1974143240782950528
 
chop2chip said:
The type of crazy is variable but the outcome of the crime isn’t!
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Right, but it’s not the outcome, but rather the likelihood of that outcome happening again is what’s in question here. And that’s actually what I think is what drives the left in the wrong direction in terms of policy-making. Relatively minor offenses by violently ill people are being minimized in the name of compassion because “hey, nobody died!” And some of those people absolutely need to be locked away for a long time, and instead enter our broken mental health systems that allow them to keep getting back out when that’s not what is in the best interest of society or frankly even that individual in most cases.

I just happen to think it cuts both ways, and we treat the severity of the outcome as more predictive than the actual cause.
 
sturg33 said:
Its impossible to believe this is real and yet I know it is
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Everyone loves those heartwarming videos of Judge Caprio dismissing a parking ticket for the 105 year old WWII vet and somehow believe that’s how the criminal justice should work.

We were less than an inch away from full blown civil war because an assassin didn’t know how to aim a rifle at the orange buffoon. And we have a judge literally coddling a would be assassin because they have a really sad story.

I want my judges and prosecutors to be ruthless in defense of the rule of law. Not wannabe therapists.
 
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chop2chip said:
Ugh.. no. Thats not it.
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How is it not? If the question is how safe I would be if a mentally ill murderer moved in next door, I happen to think it’s pretty important to know what caused the event and not just that it happened. Again, there aren’t a lot of causes that could ever possibly be satisfied by 8 years of good behavior and education credits, but if they had an adverse reaction to a medication and snapped and killed someone, they’re less dangerous to me than a different person who didn’t snap and kill someone but instead has been arrested 3 or 4 times for assaults and other violent crimes due to some unresolved mental illness. The non-murderer is more likely to harm me, because of the details of their insanity.
 
mqt said:
How is it not? If the question is how safe I would be if a mentally ill murderer moved in next door, I happen to think it’s pretty important to know what caused the event and not just that it happened. Again, there aren’t a lot of causes that could ever possibly be satisfied by 8 years of good behavior and education credits, but if they had an adverse reaction to a medication and snapped and killed someone, they’re less dangerous to me than a different person who didn’t snap and kill someone but instead has been arrested 3 or 4 times for assaults and other violent crimes due to some unresolved mental illness. The non-murderer is more likely to harm me, because of the details of their insanity.
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If you want to live next to the guy who stabbed someone to death because they mixed their uppers with their downers, go for it but I have no interest living in the same jurisdiction as you if this is what you would vote for.
 
chop2chip said:
If you want to live next to the guy who stabbed someone to death because they mixed their uppers with their downers, go for it but I have no interest living in the same jurisdiction as you if this is what you would vote for.
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But blue and red states alike allow for insanity as a defense in some meaningful capacity. I’m not sure what policies I’m advocating for here that would be exacerbating the problem. If anything, we’d get more crazy people off the street if we didn’t wait for them to murder someone.
 
chop2chip said:
She will 100% be out in 4 years because she’s going to do all her prison chores really well and her therapist is going to write a nice report that she definitely won’t do it a again because her mom calls her by the preferred pronouns now.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1974223791342473429
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Why does the sentence become less bc the crazy freak failed to execute??

Not gonna lie the criminal justice system is really radicalizing me
 
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