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Jaw said:
Violent criminals make me feel unsafe, so this statue of a violent criminal makes me feel unsafe. Doesn't that mean it has to come down now?
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Sure, I have no issues with taking down a George Floyd statue.
 
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I would like to see some memorials to the 100,000 white southerners who stayed loyal and fought for the Union. Brave men who defied ostracism and other powerful social pressures, and stayed true to the ideals upon which that this country was founded.

And to James Longstreet, a confederate general who advocated for reconciliation after the war and was active in seeking to advance and protect the rights of freedmen. Also at the cost of ostracism and other powerful social pressures.

None of the above was perfect. But surely they are deserving of being remembered and honored.
 
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nsacpi said:
I would like to see some memorials to the 100,000 white southerners who stayed loyal and fought for the Union. Brave men who defied ostracism and other powerful social pressures, and stayed true to the ideals upon which that this country was founded.

And to James Longstreet, a confederate general who advocated for reconciliation after the war and was active in seeking to advance and protect the rights of freedmen. Also at the cost of ostracism and other powerful social pressures.

None of the above was perfect. But surely they are deserving of being remembered and honored.
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It’s almost as if the excessive tributes to Confederates compared to those loyal to the Union were built for some reason other than just remembering history. I’ll happily get on a soapbox and argue all day that George Floyd was responsible for less human suffering than nearly all of the Confederate soldiers being memorialized.
 
As I've said before, I have no issue taking down the statues that were placed during the civil rights era or those in the north or west. The purpose of those was clear. Taking down the statues put up in the home states of those men, by their children's generation, is a different story.

Of course that doesn't get into the numerous other statues that were torn down during the Summer of Peaceful Protests and Death by Arson or Gang Beating, which were pretty illogical.
 
Jaw said:
As I've said before, I have no issue taking down the statues that were placed during the civil rights era or those in the north or west. The purpose of those was clear. Taking down the statues put up in the home states of those men, by their children's generation, is a different story.

Of course that doesn't get into the numerous other statues that were torn down during the Summer of Peaceful Protests and Death by Arson or Gang Beating, which were pretty illogical.
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So a statue of Floyd in Minnesota put up by his children would be cool?
 
mqt said:
So a statue of Floyd in Minnesota put up by his children would be cool?
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I'm not sure how he served his nation the way the soldiers served theirs. But the answer appears to be yes, as he's already been venerated right beside John Lewis.
 
Jaw said:
I'm not sure how he served his nation the way the soldiers served theirs. But the answer appears to be yes, as he's already been venerated right beside John Lewis.
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I’d argue that treason and acts of war against this nation are worse than anything Floyd ever did to it.
 
Just a little historical footnote on the question of whether the Civil War was about states rights. The Confederacy (not its constituent states) instituted a draft. Over the vociferous objections of proponents of states rights in the South. Seems to me they were all too willing to trample on the sacred principle of states rights when it suited their purposes.
 
The tolerance is almost too overwhelming. I bet she has one of those "hate has no place here" signs

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Am I the only person that finds constant objection to transggender people odd verging on creepy.
I don't mean gangster creepy I mean stalker level creepy.
 
The University of Otago is the world's most southerly university. I have a friend who is an alum who regularly reminds me of this very interesting fact.
 
mqt said:
I’d argue that treason and acts of war against this nation are worse than anything Floyd ever did to it.
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They didn't commit treason, they fought for states that had a Constitutional right to leave the United States and then formed the Confederacy.
 
nsacpi said:
Just a little historical footnote on the question of whether the Civil War was about states rights. The Confederacy (not its constituent states) instituted a draft. Over the vociferous objections of proponents of states rights in the South. Seems to me they were all too willing to trample on the sacred principle of states rights when it suited their purposes.
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Which states objected?
 
mqt said:
Oh no, not the prestigious University of Otago Sportswoman of the Year award!
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I remember when we were overreacting to CRT because it was just a tool used in college classes and would never have any impact on us.
 
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