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zitothebrave said:
A man is hardly a man and a woman hardly is a woman. You're putting a hard line somewhere arbitrarily in the middle. Ignoring transgendered individual and the surgical and hormonal treatment they can give people to move them through their transitions, intersex alone puts a giant hole through your arguement.

I mean I'm glad you're sticking to your story, but to simplify my counterpoint I'll steal a line from Chappelle Show "A mouth's a mouth" and I can't vouch for everyone, but I think the number of people I've had sex with who I saw naked before getting a handjob or blowjob is one.

Gender is a social construct. Gender is what says a man is this person, a woman is this person. Sex is biological. Sex is XX and XY, gender is applying a term. Consider again gendering of nouns in other languages.

That being said, unlike y'all I don't care how people define themselves. There's like an odd cult you have with obsessing over what people want to be.
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So we're back to the "why do you care?" portion of the liberal debate playbook? I'll tell you why people care and it's not because of trans people. It's because of the blatant lies and gaslighting of the truth. Every human being on the face of this planet, whether they're living in a big city in the west or in a tribe in the Africa, know exactly what a man and a woman are and what the differences are. Everyone accepts this except for your cult. Your cult that is able to keep a straight face while lying to people about a fundamental falsehood that has no real argument available other than lies.

The definition of a man and a woman specifically dictate that a man cannot become a woman and a woman cannot become a man. It's literally impossible in writing and in the collective knowledge of the entire planet other than your cult. There is zero argument for it other than some crackpot theory that you can wish it into existence or make it happen through surgical and hormonal treatment. You cannot become the opposite sex or gender because the words man and woman have specific meaning. But to say that a man who simply just wants to be a woman is now a real woman is so asinine on it's face that I can't believe you can still attempt to even perpetuate this lie as a grown adult.

Your only crutch is intersex people, but you know we aren't talking about intersex people. That's a completely different topic because it involves people with physical birth defects. The topic that we're talking about involves liars that try to blur the lines between truth and fiction in attempt to turn a blatant lie into a new truth.

What's crazy is it's your side that has been calling everyone fascists for years lol
 
That person should likely be investigated immediately, but they won’t be.

They aren’t a concerned parent at a pta meeting.
 
ESP47 said:
So we're back to the "why do you care?" portion of the liberal debate playbook? I'll tell you why people care and it's not because of trans people. It's because of the blatant lies and gaslighting of the truth. Every human being on the face of this planet, whether they're living in a big city in the west or in a tribe in the Africa, know exactly what a man and a woman are and what the differences are. Everyone accepts this except for your cult. Your cult that is able to keep a straight face while lying to people about a fundamental falsehood that has no real argument available other than lies.

The definition of a man and a woman specifically dictate that a man cannot become a woman and a woman cannot become a man. It's literally impossible in writing and in the collective knowledge of the entire planet other than your cult. There is zero argument for it other than some crackpot theory that you can wish it into existence or make it happen through surgical and hormonal treatment. You cannot become the opposite sex or gender because the words man and woman have specific meaning. But to say that a man who simply just wants to be a woman is now a real woman is so asinine on it's face that I can't believe you can still attempt to even perpetuate this lie as a grown adult.

Your only crutch is intersex people, but you know we aren't talking about intersex people. That's a completely different topic because it involves people with physical birth defects. The topic that we're talking about involves liars that try to blur the lines between truth and fiction in attempt to turn a blatant lie into a new truth.

What's crazy is it's your side that has been calling everyone fascists for years lol
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Where did this guy come from? I like him. Just the correct amount of contempt and frustration in his tone. Perfect.
 
Good to see you guys. I had to mentally check out of work for a bit and thought I would stop in.
 
It seems pointless. As someone said elsewhere on this site, Dem leadership has managed to get these people to go along with the obvious nonsense of pregnant men and chicks with dicks. There's no point in arguing with people who are so malleable and dedicated to their religi...I mean political party that they support it's calling minors with gender reassignment or hormone therapy"trans rights." They're beyond thinking of logic or morals, it's only about winning.

McCarthy underestimated the threat. Vastly.
 
Jaw said:
It seems pointless. As someone said elsewhere on this site, Dem leadership has managed to get these people to go along with the obvious nonsense of pregnant men and chicks with dicks. There's no point in arguing with people who are so malleable and dedicated to their religi...I mean political party that they support it's calling minors with gender reassignment or hormone therapy"trans rights." They're beyond thinking of logic or morals, it's only about winning.

McCarthy underestimated the threat. Vastly.
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They are monsters - True demons on earth.
 
ESP47 said:
So we're back to the "why do you care?" portion of the liberal debate playbook? I'll tell you why people care and it's not because of trans people. It's because of the blatant lies and gaslighting of the truth. Every human being on the face of this planet, whether they're living in a big city in the west or in a tribe in the Africa, know exactly what a man and a woman are and what the differences are. Everyone accepts this except for your cult. Your cult that is able to keep a straight face while lying to people about a fundamental falsehood that has no real argument available other than lies.

The definition of a man and a woman specifically dictate that a man cannot become a woman and a woman cannot become a man. It's literally impossible in writing and in the collective knowledge of the entire planet other than your cult. There is zero argument for it other than some crackpot theory that you can wish it into existence or make it happen through surgical and hormonal treatment. You cannot become the opposite sex or gender because the words man and woman have specific meaning. But to say that a man who simply just wants to be a woman is now a real woman is so asinine on it's face that I can't believe you can still attempt to even perpetuate this lie as a grown adult.

Your only crutch is intersex people, but you know we aren't talking about intersex people. That's a completely different topic because it involves people with physical birth defects. The topic that we're talking about involves liars that try to blur the lines between truth and fiction in attempt to turn a blatant lie into a new truth.

What's crazy is it's your side that has been calling everyone fascists for years lol
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Why do you care though? Let's dive into it. I don't care if people own guns. I don't care if people smoke weed. I don't care if people drink themselves stupid every night. Why do you care?

Your whole section can be disproven quite simply

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enaree

The major difference we're presented with now vs. history is surgical and medical advances to let people physically match how they feel.

Intersex isn't my only crutch, intersex is prove that there isn't 2 clearly defined sexes. There are some inbetween on sex. If there's some inbetween on sex why would there not be on gender?

And I mean you believe what you want, I don't care, but it's weird to attempt to compare trying to give people respect and rights to fascism.
 
zitothebrave said:
Why do you care though? Let's dive into it. I don't care if people own guns. I don't care if people smoke weed. I don't care if people drink themselves stupid every night. Why do you care?

Your whole section can be disproven quite simply

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enaree

The major difference we're presented with now vs. history is surgical and medical advances to let people physically match how they feel.

Intersex isn't my only crutch, intersex is prove that there isn't 2 clearly defined sexes. There are some inbetween on sex. If there's some inbetween on sex why would there not be on gender?

And I mean you believe what you want, I don't care, but it's weird to attempt to compare trying to give people respect and rights to fascism.
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I care because your cult like religion is attempting to make something that is unequivocally false into a truth that cannot even be discussed. That is closer to fascism than anything the right wingers on here talk about.

Let people physically match how they feel all they want as long as they are of legal age. I really don't care either. This conversation is not about people wanting sex changes. It's about these people wanting to get you fired or vilified for not accepting something as untrue as a woman is now not just a real woman, but now also a man who just simply says he is a woman. It's about trying to indoctrinate children into this cult with scientifically untrue information that is meant to confuse them and force acceptance. It's about keeping children away from these freaks that think they are mentally capable of making the decision to mutilate their bodies forever. It's about keeping real women safe from predators that need nothing other than to simply say they are the opposite sex in order for your cult to blindly believe that they really are and to now give them access to private female spaces.

A woman is not an adult male who feels like an adult female. It's an adult female. A female is not a male who feels like he should have a uterus, fallopian tubes, breasts and a vagina. It's the biological sex that is born with a uterus, fallopian tubes, breasts and a vagina. That's a female. Get it? It's like I'm talking to a child.

Now I know your comeback is going to be about the minute percentage of the population that is intersex or females born without a uterus. You're going to somehow try making the remarkable mental gymnastic that because some women can't have kids and because some people were born with birth defects, that means that men can now become women. Just as real as a real woman. Fully capable of getting pregnant, right? Monthly menstrual cycles, right? It's crazy that I even have to say this stuff. These are topics that 5 year olds fully understand. I know you understand it, you're just lying about it.

No one other than the freaks in your cult believe that the terms we use to describe sex and gender have two different meanings. What are you conflating are gender roles and gender itself, which are two completely different things. Your cult has rewritten the definition of gender into something that is factually incorrect when ran through the most basic questioning. It is a new definition driven by ideology rather than facts. I live in a world of facts and truth and so does nearly everyone else except your cult. Only fascists would turn something as important as the dictionary into a fictional book.
 
That is closer to fascism than anything the right wingers on here talk about.
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thankfully I'm not here nearly as much wasting time anymore

but the absolute skyrocketing dehumanizing rhetoric from thethe and others here is straight out of that playbook

it's why they were able to do what they did cause they weren't viewed as human anymore after so many years of pushing such rhetoric/tone


it isn't close to dealing with the dumb ****s who just scream and get their panties in a wad when ya say a chick with a dick isn't a chick etc

imo of course
 
I have issues with this whole trans thing as well. Biological males should not be competing against girls. It's an unfair competitive advantage. I take issue with trying to force the pronoun BS down people's throats. I don't give a **** what other people do unless it effects me. Expecting me to change the way I speak my language to suit trans peoples feelings is not acceptable. If there is an actual legitimate reason like why we don't say the N word I am fine with that. A trans person being taught to be offended because someone doesn't use their pronoun BS is not an acceptable reason. If any non trans person asked me to refer to them as they or per I would avoid that person at all costs in the future. It has nothing to do with trans people, I just don't want anything to do with anyone who is offended by me not using their made up pronoun. And my last issue is the online attempt to cancel people for saying the slightest thing that they can project to be transphobia.



It really gets to a point where you want nothing to do with trans people because you don't want the drama. I personally don't want to be around anyone who is easily offended.
 
To expand on that I find gender affirming surgery for minors to be monstrous. There's nothing that could ever convince me that's okay. If an adult wants to do it I won't stand in their way but I would object to tax payer money paying for it and I would object to any disability claim resulting from the surgery. I don't believe there is any child that is suicidal because they can't mutilate their genitals. There might be trans kids who are suicidal, mutilating their genitals ain't gonna fix that.
 
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